Hi, Robert:
Then why not let all of these out of band messages delivered via the management 
system?

Aijun Wang
China Telecom

> On Jan 25, 2022, at 23:28, Robert Raszuk <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Auto discovery is described in the draft. 
> 
> You may also provision this session by your management plane just like you 
> push 1000s of configuration lines anyway to each network element. 
> 
> Those are commonly used techniques to run a network. 
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 4:07 PM Aijun Wang <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Or, I guess you still need the ABR to act as the server. But, how these RRs 
>> know which router is ABR?
>> 
>> Aijun Wang
>> China Telecom
>> 
>>>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 23:01, Aijun Wang <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> Hi, Robert:
>>> 
>>> You mean make every PE as the register server?
>>> 
>>> Aijun Wang
>>> China Telecom
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 21:21, Robert Raszuk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Aijun,
>>>> 
>>>>> No, I think you misunderstanding our purpose.
>>>> 
>>>> You are using this argument towards a number of people ... I recommend you 
>>>> reconsider. 
>>>>  
>>>>> The proposed solution can fit in small network, or large network and RR 
>>>>> can locate anywhere the operator want to place. We have no assumption 
>>>>> about the location of RR and PEs.
>>>> 
>>>> Please observe that if you really want to put RRs outside of your local 
>>>> area for whatever reason (maybe you run RR as a service in the cloud) then 
>>>> actually we can combine X from my additional point with Tony's proposal. 
>>>> It just occurred to me like a really interesting deployment mode so let me 
>>>> describe the WG. Maybe Tony can add this model to his draft in the 
>>>> possible deployment section. 
>>>> 
>>>> - - -
>>>> 
>>>> When network elements residing outside of the local area are interested in 
>>>> node liveness of selected nodes in the area (for example BGP Route 
>>>> Reflectors running in the cloud) they can register with node liveness 
>>>> servers in an area to receive targetted notifications for interested 
>>>> addresses. 
>>>> 
>>>> Such notifications can be used to invalidate service next hops or tunnel 
>>>> endpoints. Upon such action service information will be immediately 
>>>> withdrawn. 
>>>> 
>>>> That deployment model offers full flexibility with just a handful of 
>>>> additional TCP or QUIC sessions needed and very little to no extra state 
>>>> injected in the network. 
>>>> 
>>>> - - - 
>>>> 
>>>> That model also addresses some concerns associated with any to any 
>>>> registrations. No longer PEs need to register anything with ABRs nor ABRs 
>>>> need to pass that information around. 
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> R.
>>>> 
>>>> 
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