Hi Joseph, I think you are being mischievous here. I am sure you know the copyright on the gospels expired a long time ago :-)
On 09/08/2010, Joseph Abdi <[email protected]> wrote: > The future of copyright is anything but certain. The law, by its nature, is > ever evolving, and there is not necessarily a simple and elegant solution to > every problem. > > This has proved to be especially true for copyright law. Copyright law is > facing pressure from the changing face of technology and the nature of the > works being protected. With the advent of cheap and powerful home computers > in recent years, virtually every home PC can be used to cheaply and easily > churn out a vast number of copies of copyrighted works. > > P2P and other file sharing technologies have further challenged the > efficacy of the current copyright regime.. > > Critically analyzing the so called copy righted materials, even the > materials them selves are > a copyright infringement ...a radio X giving me news they MIGHT have picked > from BBC is as well copyright infringement... > but the point is, can you prove it came from BBC? (only if BBC made the > news :)) > > EG: The very words in gospel music were gotten from the bible ... > did they have permission from God to use them? can they prove it? > "Stealing a stolen something from a thief does not make me a thief :)" > > > > On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 19:51:37 +0300, Tim Schofield <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Well Badru did say earlier in this thread that he intends to earn > > money by this site, so I am unsure on which side you are arguing Mike. > > Should he pay some of the money he earns over to the artists or not? > > > > On 09/08/2010, Mike Barnard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > wow... its getting hot in here.... Tim I think we miss what Badru > started by > > > posting that link. He clearly and has clearly continued to say, " lets > grow > > > this. lets tackle all those grey areas as we grow this". > > > > > > I pasted a section of our newest IPR and Copyright laws, which you all > seem > > > to have ignored. There is no copyright that protects a broadcast. In our > > > current law, taking from what Patrick Okui said, you may go ahead and > > > rebrand a Sanyu FM broadcast and as per our law (i stand to be > corrected) > > > you are not infringing on any ones rights. > > > > > > Granted that all artists have a right to their material and to have it > > > protected under the law, and this is catered for in the law. I had > earlier > > > said that if Badru was re-broadcasting these earlier broadcasts with the > > > intention of making money, then the artists whose songs are aired in > Badru's > > > re-broadcast have a right to sue Badru. If you are simply broadcasting > with > > > no intention of earning anything from it, look at the law, it does not > cater > > > for that. > > > > > > Tim, you seem bent on this copyright issue and rightfully so, but apply > it > > > according to the laws of Uganda, not a law that we do not have in the > land. > > > The reason there was an amendment to the old 1960's IPR and Copyright > law > > > was to cater for the emerging markets. This is what Badru keeps on > > > mentioning that we need to grow as YRadio continues to develop. I don't > > > understand and see why you are opposing that. We need to grow, YRadio, > in > > > this heated debate has brought out areas that need to be ironed out as > far > > > as our laws are concerned. Stifling ideas because of looking at one > > > countries laws over another will not help us grow. Allow us to > experience > > > this and make the necessary laws to protect our rights. You have learnt, > let > > > us learn. Allow us the privilege of understanding what something is > other > > > than enforcing something someone else has understood from its inception. > > > > > > Badru, charge on. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Wire James <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > Get off your high horse. While many of us may be concerned about the > > > rights of copyright holders, the situation not only in Uganda but many > other > > > African Countries outside South Africa is similar. Many times members on > > > this list who are in business can vouch for this, people have come up > with > > > proposals, ideas, innovations e.t.c and they are 'stolen' from them > > > unashamedly and in most instances by corporates that originate from the > so > > > called purist countries you are trying to talk about. I recall a very > famous > > > case of one Lugger whose company tussled it out with a giant over > > > infringement of copyright on some software. This big company thought it > > > would frustrate the guy through the court process but luckily enough, he > was > > > able to push on till the big elephant sought an out of court settlement. > > > However, how many people have been lucky enough to achieve such justice > here > > > in Uganda? Few, very few. That is why you find the laissez faire > attitude > > > among the list members because we have more pressing problems and needs > than > > > pretending that copyright will change our lives. Many times we submit > > > proposals for jobs and they are 'copy n pasted' by competitors who have > > > insiders in the organisations we are approaching. It is a dog eat dog > world > > > for now and I will unashamedly tell you that as for now, copyright > issues > > > are at the bottom of our list of problems to think about. I would rather > see > > > Badru's project go on if its aim has a more positive impact on this > nation > > > eventually than guarding worthless songs that have nothing to copyright > > > about. Many of these musicians would not even earn a dime if copyright > was > > > to be observed to the letter in this country. I remember 4 years ago a > > > musician I helped to get paid US$ 1500 for a 3 hour show all because I > came > > > across his music on a website that he even didnt know about. Like > someone > > > said, it is a skewed market. Just understand it the way it is. > > > > > > > > Wire > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 14:26 +0300, Tim Schofield wrote: > > > > On 09/08/2010, Joseph Abdi <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Tim, > > > > > > > > > > It's because 90% of the list members have not faced copy-right > issues .. > > > > > Also, since almost 90% of our website materials in Uganda don't use > > > > > original materials one does not > > > > > yet see the need or importance of copy-right ... > > > > > > > > > > And again, remember this is a LUG list (Open-Source) where FREE, > COPY, > > > > > RE-USE > > > > > is Legal ...with the OS mentality and mind-set, you can hardly have > > > support > > > > > or understanding of it here .. > > > > > > > > No no no no. Open source is only about free re-use if you keep within > > > > the narrow confines of the license that the software is issued under, > > > > for example the GPL. It in no way condones the abuse of copyright. > > > > Copyright is at the very heart of the GPL. Anyone on this list who is > > > > using a kernel more recent than 2.6.13 is using some of my copyrighted > > > > code which I allow them to do providing they stick to the letter of > > > > the license that the code is released under (GPL v2.0). > > > > > > > > Every open source developer, and those who benefit from the use of > > > > open source should be active in the protection of the rights of > > > > copyright holders. I have spoken at LUG meetings around the world, and > > > > never before found a group who consider that copyright holders rights > > > > should be abused. > > > > > > > > You clearly believe the rest of the world will throw off its > > > > fluffiness and join Uganda in this. 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