Hi, i did sneak jquery, django & shell32.dll in, but yes, samples were in php. I ment to say that you, as a developer, will start to program against frameworks/apis/libraries pretty quickly, just because they exist, lots of them are free and they do stuff for you.
Its not really interesting to do a python/java/ruby/php/visualbasic exchange i think. to each his/her own. @ the apc thing. php is a scripting language by nature. there are more than one caching & compiling solutions. It comes with the free nature of the php project and the ambition of the php project. One of the keynotes on drupalcon last week was by the founder of php, and he is pretty laid back. PHP is just to do stuff quickly. Not necessarily bad, but pretty pragmatic. On the other hand, Drupal has as one of its core missions to write well structured, well documented and good code. So, even though they might be using a language that is extremely loosely typed, their own work is much more strict. It works for them. Pretty well actually. Cant write a device driver with it, though. -- rgds, Reinier Battenberg Director Mountbatten Ltd. +256 758 801 749 www.mountbatten.net On Tuesday 31 August 2010 14:49:24 Paul Bagyenda wrote: > Never used any of these, but I notice that they are written in (wait while > I lose lunch) PHP. Now there is a level of bloat that is inevitable (I'd > imagine) with such languages *and* the mindset of your garden variety PHP > programmer. (I mean, APC is not part of the compiler/runtime? Really? Who > designs this stuff?) > > But, rather than go off on my usual rants, I'd like to hear your views > based on your digging into the code. > > P. > > On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:51, Reinier Battenberg wrote: > > HI, > > > > absolutely not. Drupal is a beast. A roaring monster. You *must* install > > APC at least to get the response time down. > > > > When you want to become a programmer, wading through some deep level code > > at some point in your career is never a bad idea. > > > > But to become productive, using API's and Libraries is inevitable. > > Jquery, Drupal, Django, CakePHP, shell32.dll do a lot of heavy lifting > > for you that prevent you from writing the assembly yourself :-) > > > > And even then, with powerful platforms that you tap into, there is plenty > > of totally fun coding to do. > > > >> My problem with using a CMS/framework has been the amount of bloat > >> that seems to come with a site written with them. I know that these > >> days storage and ram are cheap, but I learnt my programming when 16KB > >> was considered a lot of ram, and still hate to see so much waste. > >> > >> I am by no means up to date with these though, do you consider it to > >> have improved with Drupal, Joomla etc? > >> > >> Thanks > >> Tim > >> > >> On 29 August 2010 14:16, Okalany Daniel <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > >>>>> I also have to point out that using Drupal, will not make a bad > >>>>> website look good. At the end of the day, it boils down to the skill > >>>>> set of the individual, whether the person uses Drupal, Joomla, > >>>>> Sharepoint or note pad (html) > >>>> > >>>> Very true, indeed. > >>>> (though a sharepoint site, IMHO will always make you look very stupid, > >>>> no matter how sexy it looks like) > >>> > >>> I'm thoroughly convinced, that given equal skills, > >>> someone using a CMS/framework is more likely to produce a good/high > >>> quality website, as opposed to someone doing it from scratch. > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> LUG mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > >>> > >>> LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > >>> > >>> All Archives can be found at > >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > >>> > >>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including > >>> attachments if any). 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