Just to give an opposite perspective, there is Ramus Lerdorf's "no framework framework"
http://toys.lerdorf.com/archives/38-The-no-framework-PHP-MVC-framework.html which I must admit comes pretty close to my development philosophy. The framework or no framework debate is always interesting. I have a library of code that I have developed over the years, and tend to just use these functions as and when I require them, and resist the use of frameworks. Thanks Tim On 31 August 2010 10:51, Reinier Battenberg <[email protected]> wrote: > HI, > > absolutely not. Drupal is a beast. A roaring monster. You *must* install APC > at least to get the response time down. > > When you want to become a programmer, wading through some deep level code at > some point in your career is never a bad idea. > > But to become productive, using API's and Libraries is inevitable. Jquery, > Drupal, Django, CakePHP, shell32.dll do a lot of heavy lifting for you that > prevent you from writing the assembly yourself :-) > > And even then, with powerful platforms that you tap into, there is plenty of > totally fun coding to do. > > -- > rgds, > > Reinier Battenberg > Director > Mountbatten Ltd. > +256 758 801 749 > www.mountbatten.net > > > > On Tuesday 31 August 2010 08:58:55 Tim Schofield wrote: >> My problem with using a CMS/framework has been the amount of bloat >> that seems to come with a site written with them. I know that these >> days storage and ram are cheap, but I learnt my programming when 16KB >> was considered a lot of ram, and still hate to see so much waste. >> >> I am by no means up to date with these though, do you consider it to >> have improved with Drupal, Joomla etc? >> >> Thanks >> Tim >> >> On 29 August 2010 14:16, Okalany Daniel <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> > I also have to point out that using Drupal, will not make a bad >> >> > website look good. At the end of the day, it boils down to the skill >> >> > set of the individual, whether the person uses Drupal, Joomla, >> >> > Sharepoint or note pad (html) >> >> >> >> Very true, indeed. >> >> (though a sharepoint site, IMHO will always make you look very stupid, >> >> no matter how sexy it looks like) >> > >> > I'm thoroughly convinced, that given equal skills, >> > someone using a CMS/framework is more likely to produce a good/high >> > quality website, as opposed to someone doing it from scratch. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > LUG mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> > >> > LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> > >> > All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> > >> > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> > attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any >> > way. --------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > LUG mailing list > [email protected] > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > > LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including > attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. > --------------------------------------- > > -- WebERP Africa Ltd +447710427049 +256752963327 +255784602561 www.weberpafrica.com _______________________________________________ LUG mailing list [email protected] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---------------------------------------
