New report that the whole story about Android returns reaching 40% was faked by an apple fanboy ... Ohhhh the Shame!
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Paul Bagyenda <[email protected]>wrote: > I don't know... Everybody weighs their options based on their values and > desires. And we welcome businessmen bearing gifts precisely because we > weigh options. If you were to go full purist, there'd hardly be any open > source software worth enjoying. (See GNU Hurd for a purist case that went > nowhere.) > > Android is being pushed for commercial reasons, just as iOS is being > pushed for commercial reasons. As is Ubuntu. And SuSE. In all cases you, > dear user, will sacrifice some freedom. (Just see the latest outrage over > the Google+ requirement for real names, and how it's affected one or two > Android users.) > > These companies make huge contributions to (and use) open source, > precisely because it helps them make money. Making money means you need to > choke freedom. A little. Personally I can live with that. I accept that at > all times I must make an assessment of my options, and give a little where I > must. There will be no absolutes. > > Lastly, lets be fair. iOS is not just a matter of marketing. Anyone who > has used their devices will surely accept that they put a lot of time into > the user experience. And Android is catching up very fast. > > P. > > > > On Jul 29, 2011, at 09:11, Victor van Reijswoud wrote: > > > No Tim, you are not alone! > > > > It surprises me that the so many people on this list sacrifice freedom > > for design and are blinded by the marketing power of Apple. Behind > > this all I just see an evil trend that is inspired by mere greed. > > > > I tried to raise this issue some time ago on this list. > > > > V > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Tim Schofield <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Well I haven't, and never would buy an apple device, so I can't say > >> which is faster. > >> > >> I have been a Free software advocate and user for many years, and > >> believe strongly in the principles of Free software. Where there is a > >> choice between a Free software option and a proprietary one, as in the > >> case of phones, I will always go for the Free software option. > >> > >> Somebody mentioned the speed at which android is improving, and this > >> is one of the great strengths of Free software. The only thing that > >> keeps people buying apples products is the superb marketing ability > >> they have. Somebody else mentioned that even though they couldn't make > >> phone calls from their phone except when held in a certain way, that > >> their phone was "super cool". This has been the main thrust of apples > >> marketing for nearly 30 years. "Owning an apple device makes you > >> cooler and sexier than owners of other devices". It works brilliantly > >> as shown by their profits. > >> > >> My biggest surprise was finding myself being the lone supporter of > >> Linux devices on a LUG mailing list. First time I have ever > >> experienced that. > >> > >> Tim > >> > >> > >> On 29 July 2011 13:01, Paul Bagyenda <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> And yet overall the IOS user experience is, in my limited experience, > better. This guy provides some additional insight: > http://codingrelic.geekhold.com/2008/11/six-million-dollar-libc.html > >>> On Jul 29, 2011, at 07:33, Tim Schofield wrote: > >>> > >>>> They didn't develop it from scratch, its derived from the BSD C > >>>> library. It has a much smaller footprint than the gnu library, and is > >>>> designed for cpu's that run at slower speeds, making it much better > >>>> for mobile devices than the GNU library that ios uses. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 29 July 2011 12:27, Paul Bagyenda <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> I am duly educated again, for which I am grateful! Still, developing > their own libc must surely have had to do with licensing? > >>>>> > >>>>> Since I do not own an iPhone or iPad I suppose I may escape the "fan > boy" tag. Computers have to work well. And I suppose after a while one stops > caring about the wars... > >>>>> > >>>>> On the server side, Linux forever. On the PC/laptop side, SJ wins > (though I've seen Ubuntu installs lately that look and work pretty well). > Android vs iPhone, the latter seems to me slightly ahead, but then the speed > at which Android has improved is truly impressive. > >>>>> > >>>>> A Linux use since kernel version 0.9! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Jul 29, 2011, at 06:48, Tim Schofield wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Yes but bionic libc is open source, which is not really lock down is > it? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What have all you apple fan boys got against Linux?? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Come over to open source guys, once you've tried it you will never > >>>>>> want to go back :-) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 29 July 2011 11:42, Paul Bagyenda <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>> I had doubted you re GNU libc not being included in Android. But it > appears you are right: http://thoth.eng.temple.edu/?p=139 > >>>>>>> That is a lot of work to do to avoid publishing the source code! > Even famous-for-lock-down Apple includes GNU libc. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> P. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2011, at 01:59, Dan Carpenter wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Android only uses the Linux kernel. They threw out everything > else > >>>>>>>> about linux, like the gnu C library and every linux program. They > >>>>>>>> wrote their own replacements for that which are licensed under the > >>>>>>>> Apache license. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The Apache license doesn't require people to pass along the > software. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The most recent version of Android, Honeycomb, was announced in > May > >>>>>>>> this year. It's not used on phones, only on tablets. Google is > not > >>>>>>>> going to release the source for it. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Google is going to release the source for the next version "Ice > >>>>>>>> Cream Sandwich" which merges the phone and the tablet software. > It's > >>>>>>>> going to be released later this year. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> But for all the Android products, they do have to share the kernel > >>>>>>>> sourse. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> regards, > >>>>>>>> dan carpenter > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: > [email protected] > >>>>>>>> Mailing list archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > >>>>>>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them > (including attachments if any). 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