Apple has always been like that. they dont need oprahs help to sell ipads. they get enugh help from the other tablet manufacturers already :)
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Cavin Aaron <[email protected]> wrote: > Apple, is at the top, and it makes the same mistakes, other market leaders > make (while the sun is still shining favorably), > aloofness > > A few years back, it had mediocre products, it was more like a laughing > stock, holding a what, ipod > Talk show legend Oprah Winfrey gave out ipods to her audience, a few years > back, and the small lousy gadgets got juice, > > so how did they reward her? > > Last year (not sure of the exact dates) or this year, > Oprah Favorite's things, ( a show where she gives out freebies), all > products were given to her for free, except one company (Apple) > Now, if am making shirts, and Oprah adds my shirt line on her list, my > fortunes would turn overnight, > in other words, some companies would kill to get on that list > > However, Apple told O to buy the items, > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tim Schofield <[email protected]> > *To:* Uganda Linux User Group <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Fri, July 29, 2011 2:37:12 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [LUG] [OT] Android dirty little secret: Shipping #s strong, > returns 30 - 40% > > Says it much better than I can :-) > > > On 29 July 2011 18:59, Victor van Reijswoud > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hmmmmmm. I get the feeling that I heard this story before. It may have > > been around 10-15 years ago when the MS 'fan boys' were trying to > > justify their choices to the upcoming open source and linux advocates. > > > > MS (Gates) since then has tried to take social responsibility. Apple > > hasn't shown anything. Where is Apple in the poverty alleviation? > > Where is Apple in disaster relief? Where is Apple in offering > > affordable computing and phones for the poor. Have I missed something? > > > > Where is Apple when it comes down to freedom and free software, > > affordable access to information etc. Here I also may have missed > > something. > > > > I respect every-bodies values, desires and decisions. Personally, I > > really have serious doubts whether the Apple bet is going contribute > > to a better world. Although an early Mac adopter (got my first Apple > > in 1991), I find it more and more difficult to support their corporate > > philosophy (point stressed by the fact Apple has more cash than the US > > government ( > http://mashable.com/2011/07/29/apple-cash-u-s-government/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Mashable+%28Mashable%29 > ) > > but fail to support society with it) and have stopped buying their > > products. Looking for good alternatives. > > > > V > > > > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Paul Bagyenda <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I don't know... Everybody weighs their options based on their values and > desires. And we welcome businessmen bearing gifts precisely because we > weigh options. If you were to go full purist, there'd hardly be any open > source software worth enjoying. (See GNU Hurd for a purist case that went > nowhere.) > >> > >> Android is being pushed for commercial reasons, just as iOS is being > pushed for commercial reasons. As is Ubuntu. And SuSE. In all cases you, > dear user, will sacrifice some freedom. (Just see the latest outrage over > the Google+ requirement for real names, and how it's affected one or two > Android users.) > >> > >> These companies make huge contributions to (and use) open source, > precisely because it helps them make money. Making money means you need to > choke freedom. A little. Personally I can live with that. I accept that at > all times I must make an assessment of my options, and give a little where I > must. There will be no absolutes. > >> > >> Lastly, lets be fair. iOS is not just a matter of marketing. Anyone who > has used their devices will surely accept that they put a lot of time into > the user experience. And Android is catching up very fast. > >> > >> P. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Jul 29, 2011, at 09:11, Victor van Reijswoud wrote: > >> > >>> No Tim, you are not alone! > >>> > >>> It surprises me that the so many people on this list sacrifice freedom > >>> for design and are blinded by the marketing power of Apple. Behind > >>> this all I just see an evil trend that is inspired by mere greed. > >>> > >>> I tried to raise this issue some time ago on this list. > >>> > >>> V > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Tim Schofield <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> Well I haven't, and never would buy an apple device, so I can't say > >>>> which is faster. > >>>> > >>>> I have been a Free software advocate and user for many years, and > >>>> believe strongly in the principles of Free software. Where there is a > >>>> choice between a Free software option and a proprietary one, as in the > >>>> case of phones, I will always go for the Free software option. > >>>> > >>>> Somebody mentioned the speed at which android is improving, and this > >>>> is one of the great strengths of Free software. The only thing that > >>>> keeps people buying apples products is the superb marketing ability > >>>> they have. Somebody else mentioned that even though they couldn't make > >>>> phone calls from their phone except when held in a certain way, that > >>>> their phone was "super cool". This has been the main thrust of apples > >>>> marketing for nearly 30 years. "Owning an apple device makes you > >>>> cooler and sexier than owners of other devices". It works brilliantly > >>>> as shown by their profits. > >>>> > >>>> My biggest surprise was finding myself being the lone supporter of > >>>> Linux devices on a LUG mailing list. First time I have ever > >>>> experienced that. > >>>> > >>>> Tim > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 29 July 2011 13:01, Paul Bagyenda <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> And yet overall the IOS user experience is, in my limited experience, > better. This guy provides some additional insight: > http://codingrelic.geekhold.com/2008/11/six-million-dollar-libc.html > >>>>> On Jul 29, 2011, at 07:33, Tim Schofield wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> They didn't develop it from scratch, its derived from the BSD C > >>>>>> library. It has a much smaller footprint than the gnu library, and > is > >>>>>> designed for cpu's that run at slower speeds, making it much better > >>>>>> for mobile devices than the GNU library that ios uses. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 29 July 2011 12:27, Paul Bagyenda <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>> I am duly educated again, for which I am grateful! Still, > developing their own libc must surely have had to do with licensing? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Since I do not own an iPhone or iPad I suppose I may escape the > "fan boy" tag. Computers have to work well. And I suppose after a while one > stops caring about the wars... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On the server side, Linux forever. On the PC/laptop side, SJ wins > (though I've seen Ubuntu installs lately that look and work pretty well). > Android vs iPhone, the latter seems to me slightly ahead, but then the speed > at which Android has improved is truly impressive. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> A Linux use since kernel version 0.9! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2011, at 06:48, Tim Schofield wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Yes but bionic libc is open source, which is not really lock down > is it? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> What have all you apple fan boys got against Linux?? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Come over to open source guys, once you've tried it you will never > >>>>>>>> want to go back :-) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 29 July 2011 11:42, Paul Bagyenda <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>>>>>> I had doubted you re GNU libc not being included in Android. But > it appears you are right: http://thoth.eng.temple.edu/?p=139 > >>>>>>>>> That is a lot of work to do to avoid publishing the source code! > Even famous-for-lock-down Apple includes GNU libc. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> P. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2011, at 01:59, Dan Carpenter wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Android only uses the Linux kernel. They threw out everything > else > >>>>>>>>>> about linux, like the gnu C library and every linux program. > They > >>>>>>>>>> wrote their own replacements for that which are licensed under > the > >>>>>>>>>> Apache license. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The Apache license doesn't require people to pass along the > software. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The most recent version of Android, Honeycomb, was announced in > May > >>>>>>>>>> this year. It's not used on phones, only on tablets. Google is > not > >>>>>>>>>> going to release the source for it. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Google is going to release the source for the next version "Ice > >>>>>>>>>> Cream Sandwich" which merges the phone and the tablet software. > It's > >>>>>>>>>> going to be released later this year. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> But for all the Android products, they do have to share the > kernel > >>>>>>>>>> sourse. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> regards, > >>>>>>>>>> dan carpenter > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: > [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>> Mailing list archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > >>>>>>>>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them > (including attachments if any). 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