Hi, I wasn't meaning free as in not paid for, I was meaning Free as in the way open source software is free. I have nothing against paying for Free software, and the Free software foundation actively encourages developers to charge for the Free software they develop.
OS X was based on BSD Unix, not on Linux. If OS X or OS had any Linux code in them Apple would have to release the source code for it. On 29 July 2011 13:41, sanga collins <[email protected]> wrote: > As an apple fan boy I have nothing against linux. It is obvious that os x is > basically built on it and even ios takes so much from it that to me its like > linux dressed in a fancy suit. > So I think the argument over apple versus linux makes no sense. Its like > arguing that a red car is better than a blue car! > How ever as Tim states. There is a difference between proprietary paid > products and free software. I too love all things free. But if I have to pay > an extra $29.0 to buy os x instead of downloading ubuntu for free. I am > going to pay the extra money for a better linux experience. Compared to the > price of a windows 7 ultimate license os x is basically a steal. As far as > phones go no end user gets the benefits of android being free. The android > phones cost the same as iphones Android updates and ios updates also cost > the same (free). And after using both androids and iphones side by side for > the last three years there is no question ios experience beats android in > everyway. I never sit and wish my iphone could do a, b, and c. But I > regularly pray that the next android update fixes the quirks with my > android phone. I am still waiting for that update > > On Jul 29, 2011 8:19 AM, "Tim Schofield" <[email protected]> wrote: >> Well I haven't, and never would buy an apple device, so I can't say >> which is faster. >> >> I have been a Free software advocate and user for many years, and >> believe strongly in the principles of Free software. Where there is a >> choice between a Free software option and a proprietary one, as in the >> case of phones, I will always go for the Free software option. >> >> Somebody mentioned the speed at which android is improving, and this >> is one of the great strengths of Free software. The only thing that >> keeps people buying apples products is the superb marketing ability >> they have. Somebody else mentioned that even though they couldn't make >> phone calls from their phone except when held in a certain way, that >> their phone was "super cool". This has been the main thrust of apples >> marketing for nearly 30 years. "Owning an apple device makes you >> cooler and sexier than owners of other devices". It works brilliantly >> as shown by their profits. >> >> My biggest surprise was finding myself being the lone supporter of >> Linux devices on a LUG mailing list. First time I have ever >> experienced that. >> >> Tim >> >> >> On 29 July 2011 13:01, Paul Bagyenda <[email protected]> wrote: >>> And yet overall the IOS user experience is, in my limited experience, >>> better. This guy provides some additional insight: >>> http://codingrelic.geekhold.com/2008/11/six-million-dollar-libc.html >>> On Jul 29, 2011, at 07:33, Tim Schofield wrote: >>> >>>> They didn't develop it from scratch, its derived from the BSD C >>>> library. It has a much smaller footprint than the gnu library, and is >>>> designed for cpu's that run at slower speeds, making it much better >>>> for mobile devices than the GNU library that ios uses. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 29 July 2011 12:27, Paul Bagyenda <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> I am duly educated again, for which I am grateful! Still, developing >>>>> their own libc must surely have had to do with licensing? >>>>> >>>>> Since I do not own an iPhone or iPad I suppose I may escape the "fan >>>>> boy" tag. Computers have to work well. And I suppose after a while one >>>>> stops >>>>> caring about the wars... >>>>> >>>>> On the server side, Linux forever. On the PC/laptop side, SJ wins >>>>> (though I've seen Ubuntu installs lately that look and work pretty well). >>>>> Android vs iPhone, the latter seems to me slightly ahead, but then the >>>>> speed >>>>> at which Android has improved is truly impressive. >>>>> >>>>> A Linux use since kernel version 0.9! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 29, 2011, at 06:48, Tim Schofield wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes but bionic libc is open source, which is not really lock down is >>>>>> it? >>>>>> >>>>>> What have all you apple fan boys got against Linux?? >>>>>> >>>>>> Come over to open source guys, once you've tried it you will never >>>>>> want to go back :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 29 July 2011 11:42, Paul Bagyenda <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> I had doubted you re GNU libc not being included in Android. But it >>>>>>> appears you are right: http://thoth.eng.temple.edu/?p=139 >>>>>>> That is a lot of work to do to avoid publishing the source code! Even >>>>>>> famous-for-lock-down Apple includes GNU libc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2011, at 01:59, Dan Carpenter wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Android only uses the Linux kernel. They threw out everything else >>>>>>>> about linux, like the gnu C library and every linux program. They >>>>>>>> wrote their own replacements for that which are licensed under the >>>>>>>> Apache license. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Apache license doesn't require people to pass along the >>>>>>>> software. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The most recent version of Android, Honeycomb, was announced in May >>>>>>>> this year. It's not used on phones, only on tablets. Google is not >>>>>>>> going to release the source for it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Google is going to release the source for the next version "Ice >>>>>>>> Cream Sandwich" which merges the phone and the tablet software. >>>>>>>> It's >>>>>>>> going to be released later this year. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But for all the Android products, they do have to share the kernel >>>>>>>> sourse. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>> dan carpenter >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >>>>>>>> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them >>>>>>>> (including attachments if any). 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