In the end, it all comes down to economics. If you were the CEO if this so called "serious tier 2 ISP", how would you justify forking ~ $170,000 every month for 50 Mbps of mostly idle VSAT capacity?
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:42 PM, mwebaze keikara nelson <[email protected]>wrote: > Now that VSAT team has realised that all our local ISPs are totally > relying on fiber (both Primary and Backup). We should expect more > interuptions on the fiber (Intended fiber cuts). However much costly VSAT > is, any serious teir 2 ISP should plan to have a backup link on VSAT. > > Quoting you here "PS: Please do recall that TEAMS/SEACOM/EASSY terminate > at Mombasa. It is up to MTN/Orange/UTL/Infocom/BCS to get that connectivity > to Uganda." What if we get any political instability with our neighbors, > What would happen? > > PS: Also recall how MPOMA VSAT hub came into existance from Kenya. > > Regards. > > *None of us is as smart as all of us* > ** > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Mike Barnard <[email protected]> > > *To:* mwebaze keikara nelson <[email protected]>; Uganda Linux User Group > <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2012 2:18 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet > > > > On 15 March 2012 17:08, mwebaze keikara nelson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Steven, > > Am not saying Fiber is not good. Am trying to clarify that prices would > have been much more lower considering the bw, data rates, throughput, less > interferences a fiber has compared to VSAT access and actually what makes > VSAT expensive is the first installation, purchase of Antennas, modems and > other accessories. > > > First and foremost the cost of building a satellite is in the tune of > millions of USD. That is a cost that needs to be recovered. Secondly, there > is a launch into space cost of approximately 50M-450M USD, a cost that > needs to be recovered. Thirdly, once in space it needs to be maintained. > This too is a cost that needs to be recovered. It costs approximately 3500 > USD per month for an ISP to purchase 1Mhz of transponder space on a > satellite (costs may have changed). 0.8Mhz of transponder space is > approximately equal to 1Mbps (depending on technology used). > > It is safe to assume that 1Mbps will cost you approximately 3500 USD per > month. Purchasing 1Mbps from TEAMS costs hundreds of dollars if not less. > > In the era of satellites, it cost a customer approximately 2000 USD for a > 512Kbps up and 256 Kbps down bandwidth purchase. It now costs a customer > approximately 700 USD to get a 1Mbps symmetric bandwidth purchase. > > Are you sure "Am trying to clarify that prices would have been much more > lower considering the bw, data rates, throughput, less interferences a > fiber has compared to VSAT access" is valid in bashing the current pricing? > > PS: Please do recall that TEAMS/SEACOM/EASSY terminate at Mombasa. It is > up to MTN/Orange/UTL/Infocom/BCS to get that connectivity to Uganda. There > is a cost there as well. > > > > > *None of us is as smart as all of us* > ** > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Stephen S. Musoke <[email protected]> > *To:* 'mwebaze keikara nelson' <[email protected]>; 'Uganda Linux User > Group' <[email protected]>; 'Reinier Battenberg' < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:49 PM > > *Subject:* RE: [LUG] Uganda Internet > > Mwebaze, > > Bundled data was too expensive to be offered as a viable internet access > option. You may say times have changed, but the reality is the benefits of > fiber far outweigh the disruptions due to the cuts (not that they are > acceptable). > > My current ISP has connections to all three backbone, so while there is > noticeable degradation, its not too bad. VSATs just never worked > > Stephen > > *From:* mwebaze keikara nelson [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:27 PM > *To:* Stephen S. Musoke; 'Uganda Linux User Group'; 'Reinier Battenberg' > > *Subject:* Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet > > Stepehn..... > > And the last customer running on bunddled data? > > Regards. > > > *None of us is as smart as all of us* > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Stephen S. Musoke <[email protected]> > *To:* 'mwebaze keikara nelson' <[email protected]>; 'Uganda Linux User > Group' <[email protected]>; 'Reinier Battenberg' < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:16 PM > *Subject:* RE: [LUG] Uganda Internet > > Mwebaze, > > Maybe you have not been using internet for long, but I will tell the costs > have gone way down, you can get a 1MB link for ~$400 as compared to $5,000 > on VSAT. > > Stephen > > *From:* mwebaze keikara nelson [mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] > > *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 3:54 PM > *To:* Reinier Battenberg; Uganda Linux User Group > *Subject:* Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet > > Hello Reinier, > > I have not realised any big differences in data prices even with > decreasing fiber installation costs (60%) and the fact that its expanding > beyond its original realm and major application in the carrier backbone and > is moving into the local loop, and through technologies such as FTTXs and > PONs (broadband). > > *None of us is as smart as all of us* > > e > ------------------------------ > *From:* Reinier Battenberg <[email protected]> > *To:* mwebaze keikara nelson <[email protected]>; Uganda Linux User Group > <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:55 PM > *Subject:* Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet > > Hi Nelson, > > Am quite sure that you would not want to be paying the price your telco > would > charge you if they had not decommissioned their VSATs. > > I hope they did jail the captain that anchored in a demarcated zone on the > coast of Mombassa. Our misery is his sole responsibility. > > rgds, > reinier > > On Thursday 15 March 2012 02:27:00 mwebaze keikara nelson wrote: > > Hello, > > > > We had more relaible Internet connections off VSATs before fiber. Well, > > Fiber is good and also considering VSAT's high mantainance costs, most > > companies had to run fiber as their primary links but my worry is; how > can > > a whole tier 2 ISP switch off redundancy links on VSAT. Am told even > others > > decommissioned them. How do they expect to achieve service Availability? > > I believe this has been a lesson to most Engineers and companies to > always > > plan for fail-overs and tolorence. > > > > > > Regards. > > Nelson. > > > > > > > > None of us is as smart as all of us > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Bernard Wanyama <[email protected]> > > To: Uganda Linux User Group <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:00 AM > > Subject: Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet > > > > This is something I found regarding TEAMS repair status: > > > > > > · The cable ship NIWA arrived at Salalah spares depot on > 11-03-2012. > > · Preparations are now ongoing to load spare cable and > > jointing kits onto the ship > > · Cable mobilization for the Mombasa mission is expected on > > 12-03-2012 · So far we are still on schedule (cable ship expected > > to > > arrive at Mombasa on 18-03-2012, for 4 day repair works ending > > 23-03-2012, all going well) > > > > · We will continue to update regularly, at least every 48 hours. > > · Once again we thank you for your patience and understanding > > as we try our level best to repair the cable and restore full services > > asap. > > > > > > With TEAMS and EASSY down, I think there is little QoS and a lot of > > oversubscription on SEACOM. > > > > Kind regards, > > Bernard > > > > On 15 March 2012 10:38, Simon Vass <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Anyone got a comprehensive picture of what is up with our Internet. As > > > far as I can tell. > > > > > > EASSY - Down - Since three weeks ago > > > TEAMS - Down - Since yesterday > > > SEACOM - Barely holding it together - Last couple of weeks. > > > > > > As of this morning I know both Orange and MTN are using Seacom? May be > > > the others are not down but just traffic being routed via Seacom. > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Simon Vass > > > Managing Director > > > E-Tech Uganda Ltd > > > > > > http://www.etech.ug > > > Tel: +256 (0) 312260620 or (0) 312260621 > > > email: [email protected] > > > skype: e-techservicedesk > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug > > > > > > Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: > > > [email protected] Mailing list archives: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Mailing list settings: > > > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug > > > > > > The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: > > > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > > > > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including > > > attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them > > > in any way. > -- > rgds, > > Reinier Battenberg > Director > Mountbatten Ltd. > www.mountbatten.net > tel: +256 758 801749 > twitter: @batje > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug > > Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: > [email protected] > Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug > > The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including > attachments if any). 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