Well, there has to be SOME sort of redundancy measure in place. What would you recommend?
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 6:09 PM, brian muhumuza <[email protected]> wrote: > Right!! assuming you will get people to pay exorbitant prices yet the guy > next door charges 1/8 of what you charge for 90% uptime. your ISP would go > under in no time. > > //MB > > On Mar 16, 2012 5:55 PM, "mwebaze keikara nelson" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Brian, >> >> I wouldnt mind spending since this would be from my retained, satsfied and >> happy customers who will uninterrupted services with 99% uptimes beating >> SLAs. >> >> None of us is as smart as all of us >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: brian muhumuza <[email protected]> >> To: Uganda Linux User Group <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 5:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet >> >> In the end, it all comes down to economics. If you were the CEO if this so >> called "serious tier 2 ISP", how would you justify forking ~ $170,000 every >> month for 50 Mbps of mostly idle VSAT capacity? >> >> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:42 PM, mwebaze keikara nelson >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Now that VSAT team has realised that all our local ISPs are totally >> relying on fiber (both Primary and Backup). We should expect more >> interuptions on the fiber (Intended fiber cuts). However much costly VSAT >> is, any serious teir 2 ISP should plan to have a backup link on VSAT. >> >> Quoting you here "PS: Please do recall that TEAMS/SEACOM/EASSY terminate >> at Mombasa. It is up to MTN/Orange/UTL/Infocom/BCS to get that connectivity >> to Uganda." What if we get any political instability with our neighbors, >> What would happen? >> >> PS: Also recall how MPOMA VSAT hub came into existance from Kenya. >> >> Regards. >> >> None of us is as smart as all of us >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Mike Barnard <[email protected]> >> >> To: mwebaze keikara nelson <[email protected]>; Uganda Linux User Group >> <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 2:18 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet >> >> >> >> On 15 March 2012 17:08, mwebaze keikara nelson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Steven, >> >> Am not saying Fiber is not good. Am trying to clarify that prices would >> have been much more lower considering the bw, data rates, throughput, less >> interferences a fiber has compared to VSAT access and actually what makes >> VSAT expensive is the first installation, purchase of Antennas, modems and >> other accessories. >> >> >> First and foremost the cost of building a satellite is in the tune of >> millions of USD. That is a cost that needs to be recovered. Secondly, there >> is a launch into space cost of approximately 50M-450M USD, a cost that needs >> to be recovered. Thirdly, once in space it needs to be maintained. This too >> is a cost that needs to be recovered. It costs approximately 3500 USD per >> month for an ISP to purchase 1Mhz of transponder space on a satellite (costs >> may have changed). 0.8Mhz of transponder space is approximately equal to >> 1Mbps (depending on technology used). >> >> It is safe to assume that 1Mbps will cost you approximately 3500 USD per >> month. Purchasing 1Mbps from TEAMS costs hundreds of dollars if not less. >> >> In the era of satellites, it cost a customer approximately 2000 USD for a >> 512Kbps up and 256 Kbps down bandwidth purchase. It now costs a customer >> approximately 700 USD to get a 1Mbps symmetric bandwidth purchase. >> >> Are you sure "Am trying to clarify that prices would have been much more >> lower considering the bw, data rates, throughput, less interferences a fiber >> has compared to VSAT access" is valid in bashing the current pricing? >> >> PS: Please do recall that TEAMS/SEACOM/EASSY terminate at Mombasa. It is >> up to MTN/Orange/UTL/Infocom/BCS to get that connectivity to Uganda. There >> is a cost there as well. >> >> >> >> >> None of us is as smart as all of us >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Stephen S. Musoke <[email protected]> >> To: 'mwebaze keikara nelson' <[email protected]>; 'Uganda Linux User >> Group' <[email protected]>; 'Reinier Battenberg' >> <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:49 PM >> >> Subject: RE: [LUG] Uganda Internet >> >> Mwebaze, >> >> Bundled data was too expensive to be offered as a viable internet access >> option. You may say times have changed, but the reality is the benefits of >> fiber far outweigh the disruptions due to the cuts (not that they are >> acceptable). >> >> My current ISP has connections to all three backbone, so while there is >> noticeable degradation, its not too bad. VSATs just never worked >> >> Stephen >> >> From: mwebaze keikara nelson [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:27 PM >> To: Stephen S. Musoke; 'Uganda Linux User Group'; 'Reinier Battenberg' >> >> Subject: Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet >> >> Stepehn..... >> >> And the last customer running on bunddled data? >> >> Regards. >> >> >> None of us is as smart as all of us >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Stephen S. Musoke <[email protected]> >> To: 'mwebaze keikara nelson' <[email protected]>; 'Uganda Linux User >> Group' <[email protected]>; 'Reinier Battenberg' >> <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:16 PM >> Subject: RE: [LUG] Uganda Internet >> >> Mwebaze, >> >> Maybe you have not been using internet for long, but I will tell the costs >> have gone way down, you can get a 1MB link for ~$400 as compared to $5,000 >> on VSAT. >> >> Stephen >> >> From: mwebaze keikara nelson [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 3:54 PM >> To: Reinier Battenberg; Uganda Linux User Group >> Subject: Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet >> >> Hello Reinier, >> >> I have not realised any big differences in data prices even with >> decreasing fiber installation costs (60%) and the fact that its expanding >> beyond its original realm and major application in the carrier backbone and >> is moving into the local loop, and through technologies such as FTTXs and >> PONs (broadband). >> >> None of us is as smart as all of us >> >> e >> ________________________________ >> From: Reinier Battenberg <[email protected]> >> To: mwebaze keikara nelson <[email protected]>; Uganda Linux User Group >> <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet >> >> Hi Nelson, >> >> Am quite sure that you would not want to be paying the price your telco >> would >> charge you if they had not decommissioned their VSATs. >> >> I hope they did jail the captain that anchored in a demarcated zone on the >> coast of Mombassa. Our misery is his sole responsibility. >> >> rgds, >> reinier >> >> On Thursday 15 March 2012 02:27:00 mwebaze keikara nelson wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > We had more relaible Internet connections off VSATs before fiber. Well, >> > Fiber is good and also considering VSAT's high mantainance costs, most >> > companies had to run fiber as their primary links but my worry is; how >> > can >> > a whole tier 2 ISP switch off redundancy links on VSAT. Am told even >> > others >> > decommissioned them. How do they expect to achieve service Availability? >> > I believe this has been a lesson to most Engineers and companies to >> > always >> > plan for fail-overs and tolorence. >> > >> > >> > Regards. >> > Nelson. >> > >> > >> > >> > None of us is as smart as all of us >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > From: Bernard Wanyama <[email protected]> >> > To: Uganda Linux User Group <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:00 AM >> > Subject: Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet >> > >> > This is something I found regarding TEAMS repair status: >> > >> > >> > · The cable ship NIWA arrived at Salalah spares depot on >> > 11-03-2012. >> > · Preparations are now ongoing to load spare cable and >> > jointing kits onto the ship >> > · Cable mobilization for the Mombasa mission is expected on >> > 12-03-2012 · So far we are still on schedule (cable ship expected >> > to >> > arrive at Mombasa on 18-03-2012, for 4 day repair works ending >> > 23-03-2012, all going well) >> > >> > · We will continue to update regularly, at least every 48 hours. >> > · Once again we thank you for your patience and understanding >> > as we try our level best to repair the cable and restore full services >> > asap. >> > >> > >> > With TEAMS and EASSY down, I think there is little QoS and a lot of >> > oversubscription on SEACOM. >> > >> > Kind regards, >> > Bernard >> > >> > On 15 March 2012 10:38, Simon Vass <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > Anyone got a comprehensive picture of what is up with our Internet. As >> > > far as I can tell. >> > > >> > > EASSY - Down - Since three weeks ago >> > > TEAMS - Down - Since yesterday >> > > SEACOM - Barely holding it together - Last couple of weeks. >> > > >> > > As of this morning I know both Orange and MTN are using Seacom? May be >> > > the others are not down but just traffic being routed via Seacom. >> > > >> > > ? >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Simon Vass >> > > Managing Director >> > > E-Tech Uganda Ltd >> > > >> > > http://www.etech.ug >> > > Tel: +256 (0) 312260620 or (0) 312260621 >> > > email: [email protected] >> > > skype: e-techservicedesk >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >> > > >> > > Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >> > > [email protected] Mailing list archives: >> > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Mailing list settings: >> > > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> > > To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> > > >> > > The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >> > > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> > > >> > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them >> > > (including >> > > attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them >> > > in any way. >> -- >> rgds, >> >> Reinier Battenberg >> Director >> Mountbatten Ltd. >> www.mountbatten.net >> tel: +256 758 801749 >> twitter: @batje >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >> >> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >> [email protected] >> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> >> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in >> any way. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mike >> >> Of course, you might discount this possibility, but remember that one in a >> million chances happen 99% of the time. >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >> >> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >> [email protected] >> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> >> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> attachments if any). 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