Samuel,
I didnt get your question properly but its all about the bargaining powers to
make a good Servce Level Agreements (SLA)with the ISPs.
It also depends on what brings the primary link down, for intenal issues think
about Multihoming, however his design provides resilience against link and
device failures, but
does not provide protection against major outages within the ISP's network.
Regards.
None of us is as smart as all of us
________________________________
From: Samuel Otaala <[email protected]>
To: mwebaze keikara nelson <[email protected]>; Uganda Linux User Group
<[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet
I don't know much about this, but how easy would it be to get a deal
where you pay a token monthly fee, which then increases with Internet
usage? Like $20,000, then on the month your main link goes down, you
pay the other $150k.
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 5:55 PM, mwebaze keikara nelson
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Brian,
>
> I wouldnt mind spending since this would be from my retained, satsfied and
> happy customers who will uninterrupted services with 99% uptimes beating
> SLAs.
>
> None of us is as smart as all of us
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: brian muhumuza <[email protected]>
>
> To: Uganda Linux User Group <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 5:27 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet
>
> In the end, it all comes down to economics. If you were the CEO if this so
> called "serious tier 2 ISP", how would you justify forking ~ $170,000 every
> month for 50 Mbps of mostly idle VSAT capacity?
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:42 PM, mwebaze keikara nelson <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> Now that VSAT team has realised that all our local ISPs are totally relying
> on fiber (both Primary and Backup). We should expect more interuptions on
> the fiber (Intended fiber cuts). However much costly VSAT is, any serious
> teir 2 ISP should plan to have a backup link on VSAT.
>
> Quoting you here "PS: Please do recall that TEAMS/SEACOM/EASSY terminate at
> Mombasa. It is up to MTN/Orange/UTL/Infocom/BCS to get that connectivity to
> Uganda." What if we get any political instability with our neighbors, What
> would happen?
>
> PS: Also recall how MPOMA VSAT hub came into existance from Kenya.
>
> Regards.
>
> None of us is as smart as all of us
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mike Barnard <[email protected]>
>
> To: mwebaze keikara nelson <[email protected]>; Uganda Linux User Group
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 2:18 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet
>
>
>
> On 15 March 2012 17:08, mwebaze keikara nelson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Steven,
>
> Am not saying Fiber is not good. Am trying to clarify that prices would have
> been much more lower considering the bw, data rates, throughput, less
> interferences a fiber has compared to VSAT access and actually what makes
> VSAT expensive is the first installation, purchase of Antennas, modems and
> other accessories.
>
>
> First and foremost the cost of building a satellite is in the tune of
> millions of USD. That is a cost that needs to be recovered. Secondly, there
> is a launch into space cost of approximately 50M-450M USD, a cost that needs
> to be recovered. Thirdly, once in space it needs to be maintained. This too
> is a cost that needs to be recovered. It costs approximately 3500 USD per
> month for an ISP to purchase 1Mhz of transponder space on a satellite (costs
> may have changed). 0.8Mhz of transponder space is approximately equal to
> 1Mbps (depending on technology used).
>
> It is safe to assume that 1Mbps will cost you approximately 3500 USD per
> month. Purchasing 1Mbps from TEAMS costs hundreds of dollars if not less.
>
> In the era of satellites, it cost a customer approximately 2000 USD for a
> 512Kbps up and 256 Kbps down bandwidth purchase. It now costs a customer
> approximately 700 USD to get a 1Mbps symmetric bandwidth purchase.
>
> Are you sure "Am trying to clarify that prices would have been much more
> lower considering the bw, data rates, throughput, less interferences a fiber
> has compared to VSAT access" is valid in bashing the current pricing?
>
> PS: Please do recall that TEAMS/SEACOM/EASSY terminate at Mombasa. It is up
> to MTN/Orange/UTL/Infocom/BCS to get that connectivity to Uganda. There is a
> cost there as well.
>
>
>
>
> None of us is as smart as all of us
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Stephen S. Musoke <[email protected]>
> To: 'mwebaze keikara nelson' <[email protected]>; 'Uganda Linux User Group'
> <[email protected]>; 'Reinier Battenberg' <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:49 PM
>
> Subject: RE: [LUG] Uganda Internet
>
> Mwebaze,
>
> Bundled data was too expensive to be offered as a viable internet access
> option. You may say times have changed, but the reality is the benefits of
> fiber far outweigh the disruptions due to the cuts (not that they are
> acceptable).
>
> My current ISP has connections to all three backbone, so while there is
> noticeable degradation, its not too bad. VSATs just never worked
>
> Stephen
>
> From: mwebaze keikara nelson [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:27 PM
> To: Stephen S. Musoke; 'Uganda Linux User Group'; 'Reinier Battenberg'
>
> Subject: Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet
>
> Stepehn.....
>
> And the last customer running on bunddled data?
>
> Regards.
>
>
> None of us is as smart as all of us
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Stephen S. Musoke <[email protected]>
> To: 'mwebaze keikara nelson' <[email protected]>; 'Uganda Linux User Group'
> <[email protected]>; 'Reinier Battenberg' <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:16 PM
> Subject: RE: [LUG] Uganda Internet
>
> Mwebaze,
>
> Maybe you have not been using internet for long, but I will tell the costs
> have gone way down, you can get a 1MB link for ~$400 as compared to $5,000
> on VSAT.
>
> Stephen
>
> From: mwebaze keikara nelson [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 3:54 PM
> To: Reinier Battenberg; Uganda Linux User Group
> Subject: Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet
>
> Hello Reinier,
>
> I have not realised any big differences in data prices even with decreasing
> fiber installation costs (60%) and the fact that its expanding beyond its
> original realm and major application in the carrier backbone and is moving
> into the local loop, and through technologies such as FTTXs and PONs
> (broadband).
>
> None of us is as smart as all of us
>
> e
> ________________________________
> From: Reinier Battenberg <[email protected]>
> To: mwebaze keikara nelson <[email protected]>; Uganda Linux User Group
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet
>
> Hi Nelson,
>
> Am quite sure that you would not want to be paying the price your telco
> would
> charge you if they had not decommissioned their VSATs.
>
> I hope they did jail the captain that anchored in a demarcated zone on the
> coast of Mombassa. Our misery is his sole responsibility.
>
> rgds,
> reinier
>
> On Thursday 15 March 2012 02:27:00 mwebaze keikara nelson wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> We had more relaible Internet connections off VSATs before fiber. Well,
>> Fiber is good and also considering VSAT's high mantainance costs, most
>> companies had to run fiber as their primary links but my worry is; how can
>> a whole tier 2 ISP switch off redundancy links on VSAT. Am told even
>> others
>> decommissioned them. How do they expect to achieve service Availability?
>> I believe this has been a lesson to most Engineers and companies to always
>> plan for fail-overs and tolorence.
>>
>>
>> Regards.
>> Nelson.
>>
>>
>>
>> None of us is as smart as all of us
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Bernard Wanyama <[email protected]>
>> To: Uganda Linux User Group <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet
>>
>> This is something I found regarding TEAMS repair status:
>>
>>
>> · The cable ship NIWA arrived at Salalah spares depot on
>> 11-03-2012.
>> · Preparations are now ongoing to load spare cable and
>> jointing kits onto the ship
>> · Cable mobilization for the Mombasa mission is expected on
>> 12-03-2012 · So far we are still on schedule (cable ship expected
>> to
>> arrive at Mombasa on 18-03-2012, for 4 day repair works ending
>> 23-03-2012, all going well)
>>
>> · We will continue to update regularly, at least every 48 hours.
>> · Once again we thank you for your patience and understanding
>> as we try our level best to repair the cable and restore full services
>> asap.
>>
>>
>> With TEAMS and EASSY down, I think there is little QoS and a lot of
>> oversubscription on SEACOM.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Bernard
>>
>> On 15 March 2012 10:38, Simon Vass <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > Anyone got a comprehensive picture of what is up with our Internet. As
>> > far as I can tell.
>> >
>> > EASSY - Down - Since three weeks ago
>> > TEAMS - Down - Since yesterday
>> > SEACOM - Barely holding it together - Last couple of weeks.
>> >
>> > As of this morning I know both Orange and MTN are using Seacom? May be
>> > the others are not down but just traffic being routed via Seacom.
>> >
>> > ?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Simon Vass
>> > Managing Director
>> > E-Tech Uganda Ltd
>> >
>> > http://www.etech.ug
>> > Tel: +256 (0) 312260620 or (0) 312260621
>> > email: [email protected]
>> > skype: e-techservicedesk
>> >
>> >
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>
> Reinier Battenberg
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