What would be great if someone dug the cable to Tanzania, so we could get out from Dar as well.
And what would be nice if some cables had a backup connection going South to SA and then up north over the westcoast. That is what the internet was designed for: a lot of alternative routes (just in case a nuclear war would break out) have a nice weekend everyone. rgds, reinier On Friday 16 March 2012 18:14:18 Samuel Otaala wrote: > Well, there has to be SOME sort of redundancy measure in place. What > would you recommend? > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 6:09 PM, brian muhumuza > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Right!! assuming you will get people to pay exorbitant prices yet the > > guy > > next door charges 1/8 of what you charge for 90% uptime. your ISP would > > go under in no time. > > > > //MB > > > > On Mar 16, 2012 5:55 PM, "mwebaze keikara nelson" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Brian, > >> > >> I wouldnt mind spending since this would be from my retained, satsfied > >> and happy customers who will uninterrupted services with 99% uptimes > >> beating SLAs. > >> > >> None of us is as smart as all of us > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: brian muhumuza <[email protected]> > >> To: Uganda Linux User Group <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 5:27 PM > >> Subject: Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet > >> > >> In the end, it all comes down to economics. If you were the CEO if > >> this so called "serious tier 2 ISP", how would you justify forking ~ > >> $170,000 every month for 50 Mbps of mostly idle VSAT capacity? > >> > >> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:42 PM, mwebaze keikara nelson > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Now that VSAT team has realised that all our local ISPs are totally > >> relying on fiber (both Primary and Backup). We should expect more > >> interuptions on the fiber (Intended fiber cuts). However much costly > >> VSAT is, any serious teir 2 ISP should plan to have a backup link on > >> VSAT. > >> > >> Quoting you here "PS: Please do recall that TEAMS/SEACOM/EASSY > >> terminate > >> at Mombasa. It is up to MTN/Orange/UTL/Infocom/BCS to get that > >> connectivity to Uganda." What if we get any political instability > >> with our neighbors, What would happen? > >> > >> PS: Also recall how MPOMA VSAT hub came into existance from Kenya. > >> > >> Regards. > >> > >> None of us is as smart as all of us > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Mike Barnard <[email protected]> > >> > >> To: mwebaze keikara nelson <[email protected]>; Uganda Linux User > >> Group > >> <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 2:18 PM > >> > >> Subject: Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet > >> > >> > >> > >> On 15 March 2012 17:08, mwebaze keikara nelson <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Steven, > >> > >> Am not saying Fiber is not good. Am trying to clarify that prices > >> would > >> have been much more lower considering the bw, data rates, throughput, > >> less interferences a fiber has compared to VSAT access and actually > >> what makes VSAT expensive is the first installation, purchase of > >> Antennas, modems and other accessories. > >> > >> > >> First and foremost the cost of building a satellite is in the tune of > >> millions of USD. That is a cost that needs to be recovered. Secondly, > >> there is a launch into space cost of approximately 50M-450M USD, a > >> cost that needs to be recovered. Thirdly, once in space it needs to > >> be maintained. This too is a cost that needs to be recovered. It > >> costs approximately 3500 USD per month for an ISP to purchase 1Mhz of > >> transponder space on a satellite (costs may have changed). 0.8Mhz of > >> transponder space is approximately equal to 1Mbps (depending on > >> technology used). > >> > >> It is safe to assume that 1Mbps will cost you approximately 3500 USD > >> per > >> month. Purchasing 1Mbps from TEAMS costs hundreds of dollars if not > >> less. > >> > >> In the era of satellites, it cost a customer approximately 2000 USD > >> for a 512Kbps up and 256 Kbps down bandwidth purchase. It now costs a > >> customer approximately 700 USD to get a 1Mbps symmetric bandwidth > >> purchase. > >> > >> Are you sure "Am trying to clarify that prices would have been much > >> more > >> lower considering the bw, data rates, throughput, less interferences a > >> fiber has compared to VSAT access" is valid in bashing the current > >> pricing? > >> > >> PS: Please do recall that TEAMS/SEACOM/EASSY terminate at Mombasa. It > >> is > >> up to MTN/Orange/UTL/Infocom/BCS to get that connectivity to Uganda. > >> There is a cost there as well. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> None of us is as smart as all of us > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Stephen S. Musoke <[email protected]> > >> To: 'mwebaze keikara nelson' <[email protected]>; 'Uganda Linux User > >> Group' <[email protected]>; 'Reinier Battenberg' > >> <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:49 PM > >> > >> Subject: RE: [LUG] Uganda Internet > >> > >> Mwebaze, > >> > >> Bundled data was too expensive to be offered as a viable internet > >> access > >> option. You may say times have changed, but the reality is the > >> benefits of fiber far outweigh the disruptions due to the cuts (not > >> that they are acceptable). > >> > >> My current ISP has connections to all three backbone, so while there > >> is > >> noticeable degradation, its not too bad. VSATs just never worked > >> > >> Stephen > >> > >> From: mwebaze keikara nelson [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:27 PM > >> To: Stephen S. Musoke; 'Uganda Linux User Group'; 'Reinier Battenberg' > >> > >> Subject: Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet > >> > >> Stepehn..... > >> > >> And the last customer running on bunddled data? > >> > >> Regards. > >> > >> > >> None of us is as smart as all of us > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Stephen S. Musoke <[email protected]> > >> To: 'mwebaze keikara nelson' <[email protected]>; 'Uganda Linux User > >> Group' <[email protected]>; 'Reinier Battenberg' > >> <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:16 PM > >> Subject: RE: [LUG] Uganda Internet > >> > >> Mwebaze, > >> > >> Maybe you have not been using internet for long, but I will tell the > >> costs have gone way down, you can get a 1MB link for ~$400 as > >> compared to $5,000 on VSAT. > >> > >> Stephen > >> > >> From: mwebaze keikara nelson [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 3:54 PM > >> To: Reinier Battenberg; Uganda Linux User Group > >> Subject: Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet > >> > >> Hello Reinier, > >> > >> I have not realised any big differences in data prices even with > >> decreasing fiber installation costs (60%) and the fact that its > >> expanding beyond its original realm and major application in the > >> carrier backbone and is moving into the local loop, and through > >> technologies such as FTTXs and PONs (broadband). > >> > >> None of us is as smart as all of us > >> > >> e > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Reinier Battenberg <[email protected]> > >> To: mwebaze keikara nelson <[email protected]>; Uganda Linux User > >> Group > >> <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:55 PM > >> Subject: Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet > >> > >> Hi Nelson, > >> > >> Am quite sure that you would not want to be paying the price your > >> telco > >> would > >> charge you if they had not decommissioned their VSATs. > >> > >> I hope they did jail the captain that anchored in a demarcated zone on > >> the coast of Mombassa. Our misery is his sole responsibility. > >> > >> rgds, > >> reinier > >> > >> On Thursday 15 March 2012 02:27:00 mwebaze keikara nelson wrote: > >> > Hello, > >> > > >> > We had more relaible Internet connections off VSATs before fiber. > >> > Well, Fiber is good and also considering VSAT's high mantainance > >> > costs, most companies had to run fiber as their primary links but > >> > my worry is; how can > >> > a whole tier 2 ISP switch off redundancy links on VSAT. Am told > >> > even > >> > others > >> > decommissioned them. How do they expect to achieve service > >> > Availability? I believe this has been a lesson to most Engineers > >> > and companies to always > >> > plan for fail-overs and tolorence. > >> > > >> > > >> > Regards. > >> > Nelson. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > None of us is as smart as all of us > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ________________________________ > >> > > >> > From: Bernard Wanyama <[email protected]> > >> > > >> > To: Uganda Linux User Group <[email protected]> > >> > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:00 AM > >> > Subject: Re: [LUG] Uganda Internet > >> > > >> > This is something I found regarding TEAMS repair status: > >> > > >> > > >> > · The cable ship NIWA arrived at Salalah spares depot on > >> > 11-03-2012. > >> > · Preparations are now ongoing to load spare cable and > >> > jointing kits onto the ship > >> > · Cable mobilization for the Mombasa mission is expected on > >> > 12-03-2012 · So far we are still on schedule (cable ship > >> > expected to > >> > arrive at Mombasa on 18-03-2012, for 4 day repair works ending > >> > 23-03-2012, all going well) > >> > > >> > · We will continue to update regularly, at least every 48 > >> > hours. · Once again we thank you for your patience and > >> > understanding as we try our level best to repair the cable and > >> > restore full services asap. > >> > > >> > > >> > With TEAMS and EASSY down, I think there is little QoS and a lot > >> > of > >> > oversubscription on SEACOM. > >> > > >> > Kind regards, > >> > Bernard > >> > > >> > On 15 March 2012 10:38, Simon Vass <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > Anyone got a comprehensive picture of what is up with our > >> > > Internet. As far as I can tell. > >> > > > >> > > EASSY - Down - Since three weeks ago > >> > > TEAMS - Down - Since yesterday > >> > > SEACOM - Barely holding it together - Last couple of weeks. > >> > > > >> > > As of this morning I know both Orange and MTN are using > >> > > Seacom? May be the others are not down but just traffic being > >> > > routed via Seacom. > >> > > > >> > > ? > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Simon Vass > >> > > Managing Director > >> > > E-Tech Uganda Ltd > >> > > > >> > > http://www.etech.ug > >> > > Tel: +256 (0) 312260620 or (0) 312260621 > >> > > email: [email protected] > >> > > skype: e-techservicedesk > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug > >> > > > >> > > Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: > >> > > [email protected] Mailing list archives: > >> > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Mailing list > >> > > settings: > >> > > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > >> > > To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug > >> > > > >> > > The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: > >> > > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > >> > > > >> > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them > >> > > (including > >> > > attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible > >> > > for them in any way. > >> > >> -- > >> rgds, > >> > >> Reinier Battenberg > >> Director > >> Mountbatten Ltd. > >> www.mountbatten.net > >> tel: +256 758 801749 > >> twitter: @batje > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug > >> > >> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: > >> [email protected] > >> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > >> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > >> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug > >> > >> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: > >> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > >> > >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them > >> (including > >> attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them > >> in any way. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Mike > >> > >> Of course, you might discount this possibility, but remember that one > >> in a million chances happen 99% of the time. > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug > >> > >> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: > >> [email protected] > >> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > >> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > >> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug > >> > >> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: > >> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > >> > >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them > >> (including > >> attachments if any). 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