Ah. I hadn't seen your response by the time I concocted and sent mine. I lean heavily on my disclaimer, and bow to your superior knowledge.
Frankly, "you got no guts, nor do you get glory" works...kinda... ray On 10/23/07, "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Ray Brohinsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > haud ovis ile , haud palma > > (no [sheep] guts, no glory.) > > Haud negates the respective nouns. Put that way, it means neither ... > nor. Ile, when referring to animals, is used in its plural form, ilia. > Ilia means stomach, intestines, but neither gut, string, nor guts. > > > If you really want to go for the pun, haud ile, haud palma works, but > > whether there was a Roman association between actual intestines and > > 'guts' is beyond my paltry four years of study (35 years ago). > > Guts in the sense of audacity, boldness, bravery, courage, is in Latin > conveyed with _animus_, rarely also with alacritas. > > Suggesting Nulla sine nervis gloria, I tried to keep the ambiguity of > nervus = tendon / gut / string / strength / force / vitality. > > Mathias > > > On 10/23/07, Ron Fletcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I had thought David meant 'No intestinal fortitude, no acclaim' > > > > > > But I would go along with the notion that without gut strings there is no > > > glory. > > > > > > Could this become the motto for the elite of our lute-players? > > > > > > What's that in Latin? > > > > > > Ron (UK) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: LGS-Europe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 12:47 PM > > > To: Edward Martin; [email protected] > > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute reaches mases > > > > > > > No guts no glory? > > > > > > Come on Ed, of all the glorious lute jobs in the world (...). Of course I > > > used gut strings! I had 20 guts on my lute. Not a fishing line in sight. > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You of all people did not use gut? > > > > > > > > What strings did you use - fishing line? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 08:26 AM 10/23/2007 +0200, LGS-Europe wrote: > > > >>Last Saturday I had to play my lute during a royal baptism here in the > > > >>Netherlands. 850 people in church, cool enough, but it was live on tv. > > > >>The > > > > > > >>newspaper writes 787000 people watched. That's a large audience for a > > > >>lute. > > > >> > > > >>David - No guts no glory. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>**************************** > > > >>David van Ooijen > > > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>www.davidvanooijen.nl > > > >>**************************** > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>To get on or off this list see list information at > > > >>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>-- > > > >>No virus found in this incoming message. > > > >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: > > > >>269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edward Martin > > > > 2817 East 2nd Street > > > > Duluth, Minnesota 55812 > > > > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > voice: (218) 728-1202 > > >
