I think the words are ok but the grammer not forcefull enough Something cast in the mold of potius mori quam foedari would have a bit more zing
dt At 12:03 PM 10/23/2007, you wrote: >After consulting my Latin dictionary, I completely agree with Mathias on >"Nulla sine nervis gloria". That captures all the aspects of "no guts no >glory" including the lute connection. > >(I was mistaking nervus for nervulus before). > > > "Ray Brohinsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > >> haud ovis ile , haud palma > >> (no [sheep] guts, no glory.) > > > > Haud negates the respective nouns. Put that way, it means neither ... > > nor. Ile, when referring to animals, is used in its plural form, ilia. > > Ilia means stomach, intestines, but neither gut, string, nor guts. > > > >> If you really want to go for the pun, haud ile, haud palma works, but > >> whether there was a Roman association between actual intestines and > >> 'guts' is beyond my paltry four years of study (35 years ago). > > > > Guts in the sense of audacity, boldness, bravery, courage, is in Latin > > conveyed with _animus_, rarely also with alacritas. > > > > Suggesting Nulla sine nervis gloria, I tried to keep the ambiguity of > > nervus = tendon / gut / string / strength / force / vitality. > > > > Mathias > > > >> On 10/23/07, Ron Fletcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > I had thought David meant 'No intestinal fortitude, no acclaim' > >> > > >> > But I would go along with the notion that without gut strings there is > >> no > >> > glory. > >> > > >> > Could this become the motto for the elite of our lute-players? > >> > > >> > What's that in Latin? > >> > > >> > Ron (UK) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: LGS-Europe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 12:47 PM > >> > To: Edward Martin; [email protected] > >> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute reaches mases > >> > > >> > > No guts no glory? > >> > > >> > Come on Ed, of all the glorious lute jobs in the world (...). Of > >> course I > >> > used gut strings! I had 20 guts on my lute. Not a fishing line in > >> sight. > >> > > >> > David > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > You of all people did not use gut? > >> > > > >> > > What strings did you use - fishing line? > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > At 08:26 AM 10/23/2007 +0200, LGS-Europe wrote: > >> > >>Last Saturday I had to play my lute during a royal baptism here in > >> the > >> > >>Netherlands. 850 people in church, cool enough, but it was live on > >> tv. The > >> > > >> > >>newspaper writes 787000 people watched. That's a large audience for > >> a > >> > >>lute. > >> > >> > >> > >>David - No guts no glory. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>**************************** > >> > >>David van Ooijen > >> > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >>www.davidvanooijen.nl > >> > >>**************************** > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>To get on or off this list see list information at > >> > >>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>-- > >> > >>No virus found in this incoming message. > >> > >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: > >> > >>269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Edward Martin > >> > > 2817 East 2nd Street > >> > > Duluth, Minnesota 55812 > >> > > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > voice: (218) 728-1202 > > > > > > > > >-- >http://DoctorOakroot.com - Rough-edged songs on homemade GIT-tars. --
