"Ray Brohinsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > haud ovis ile , haud palma > (no [sheep] guts, no glory.)
Haud negates the respective nouns. Put that way, it means neither ... nor. Ile, when referring to animals, is used in its plural form, ilia. Ilia means stomach, intestines, but neither gut, string, nor guts. > If you really want to go for the pun, haud ile, haud palma works, but > whether there was a Roman association between actual intestines and > 'guts' is beyond my paltry four years of study (35 years ago). Guts in the sense of audacity, boldness, bravery, courage, is in Latin conveyed with _animus_, rarely also with alacritas. Suggesting Nulla sine nervis gloria, I tried to keep the ambiguity of nervus = tendon / gut / string / strength / force / vitality. Mathias > On 10/23/07, Ron Fletcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I had thought David meant 'No intestinal fortitude, no acclaim' > > > > But I would go along with the notion that without gut strings there is no > > glory. > > > > Could this become the motto for the elite of our lute-players? > > > > What's that in Latin? > > > > Ron (UK) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: LGS-Europe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 12:47 PM > > To: Edward Martin; [email protected] > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute reaches mases > > > > > No guts no glory? > > > > Come on Ed, of all the glorious lute jobs in the world (...). Of course I > > used gut strings! I had 20 guts on my lute. Not a fishing line in sight. > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > You of all people did not use gut? > > > > > > What strings did you use - fishing line? > > > > > > > > > > > > At 08:26 AM 10/23/2007 +0200, LGS-Europe wrote: > > >>Last Saturday I had to play my lute during a royal baptism here in the > > >>Netherlands. 850 people in church, cool enough, but it was live on tv. The > > > > >>newspaper writes 787000 people watched. That's a large audience for a > > >>lute. > > >> > > >>David - No guts no glory. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>**************************** > > >>David van Ooijen > > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>www.davidvanooijen.nl > > >>**************************** > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>To get on or off this list see list information at > > >>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >> > > >> > > >>-- > > >>No virus found in this incoming message. > > >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: > > >>269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Edward Martin > > > 2817 East 2nd Street > > > Duluth, Minnesota 55812 > > > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > voice: (218) 728-1202
