After consulting my Latin dictionary, I completely agree with Mathias on "Nulla sine nervis gloria". That captures all the aspects of "no guts no glory" including the lute connection.
(I was mistaking nervus for nervulus before). > "Ray Brohinsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: >> haud ovis ile , haud palma >> (no [sheep] guts, no glory.) > > Haud negates the respective nouns. Put that way, it means neither ... > nor. Ile, when referring to animals, is used in its plural form, ilia. > Ilia means stomach, intestines, but neither gut, string, nor guts. > >> If you really want to go for the pun, haud ile, haud palma works, but >> whether there was a Roman association between actual intestines and >> 'guts' is beyond my paltry four years of study (35 years ago). > > Guts in the sense of audacity, boldness, bravery, courage, is in Latin > conveyed with _animus_, rarely also with alacritas. > > Suggesting Nulla sine nervis gloria, I tried to keep the ambiguity of > nervus = tendon / gut / string / strength / force / vitality. > > Mathias > >> On 10/23/07, Ron Fletcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > I had thought David meant 'No intestinal fortitude, no acclaim' >> > >> > But I would go along with the notion that without gut strings there is >> no >> > glory. >> > >> > Could this become the motto for the elite of our lute-players? >> > >> > What's that in Latin? >> > >> > Ron (UK) >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: LGS-Europe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 12:47 PM >> > To: Edward Martin; [email protected] >> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute reaches mases >> > >> > > No guts no glory? >> > >> > Come on Ed, of all the glorious lute jobs in the world (...). Of >> course I >> > used gut strings! I had 20 guts on my lute. Not a fishing line in >> sight. >> > >> > David >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > You of all people did not use gut? >> > > >> > > What strings did you use - fishing line? >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > At 08:26 AM 10/23/2007 +0200, LGS-Europe wrote: >> > >>Last Saturday I had to play my lute during a royal baptism here in >> the >> > >>Netherlands. 850 people in church, cool enough, but it was live on >> tv. The >> > >> > >>newspaper writes 787000 people watched. That's a large audience for >> a >> > >>lute. >> > >> >> > >>David - No guts no glory. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>**************************** >> > >>David van Ooijen >> > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >>www.davidvanooijen.nl >> > >>**************************** >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>To get on or off this list see list information at >> > >>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>-- >> > >>No virus found in this incoming message. >> > >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: >> > >>269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Edward Martin >> > > 2817 East 2nd Street >> > > Duluth, Minnesota 55812 >> > > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > voice: (218) 728-1202 > > > -- http://DoctorOakroot.com - Rough-edged songs on homemade GIT-tars.
