On 13-12-01 02:57 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
>      Hello!
>
> Stephan Sokolow has written on Sunday,  1 December, at 13:01:
>> Assuming we can't come up with something shorter, this would be the most
>> intuitive and would only be two characters longer:
>> "Remember View Settings for This Folder"
>
>> ...and these would probably gain more in compactness than they'd lose in
>> clarity:
>> "Remember Folder-Specific Settings"
>> "Remember Folder-Specific View"
>
>> The last one also has the benefit of being shorter than
>> "Open Current Folder in Terminal" though I think I might prefer the
>> second last.
>
>      I'm afraid that will be somehow changed when translated and made yet
> further away from being obviously understandable. So I think the latter
> (...for This Folder) is what it should be then. It will blow up the View
> menu though but we have no choice. I've tested it - it is more than twice
> bigger than the biggest one - "Detailed List View". I hope users will not
> blame us too much. :)

You could always have your cake and eat it too by making a submenu and 
having "View Mode" and "Sort Order" as individual checkbox menu items 
within it.

That'd let you limit the size increase on the top-level menu AND allow 
users more fine-grained control.

For example, "Saved for this Folder > View Mode" should be easy to 
understand and "Saved for this Folder" is only three characters longer 
than "Detailed List View".

(And, since people will only change those settings infrequently, the 
extra effort a submenu brings shouldn't be a big problem.)

>
>> I still don't know what you'd want to put in a tooltip but I don't think
>> any tooltips are needed once you rewrite the "File type to be opened"
>> line. (It will ask for you to pick an application and you've got two
>> clearly-labelled sources/palettes/etc. to choose from)
>
>      I mean use that "Use selected application to open files" as tooltip
> for first tab and "Execute custom command line to open files" (it was set
> in the same place when second tab is selected) as tooltip for second tab.
> Some people (disabled for example) need tooltips so since accessibility
> is one of points of attention now I set tooltips where appropriate.

Ahh. That makes sense.

>
>      Thank you very much for this too. I think the word "action" in this
> phrase is superfluous, it may bring some ambiguity. What do you think?
>

I'm not sure.

Anything you put there is going to be a compromise because the 
technically proper phrasings are alien and confusing to the average person.

"Set selected application as default action for this file type" IS 
technically wrong, since the application is a "handler" or "opener" and 
the action is "open with default handler".

The problem is that you can't use a phrase like "Set selected 
application as default handler for this file type" or "Set selected 
handler as default for this file type" because "handler" and "opener" 
are jargon and you want to avoid jargon in text meant for the average user.

There's nothing horrible with using "Set selected application as default 
for this file type" but it rubs me the wrong way because, deep in my 
mind, it feels like there's some other interpretation of of "setting an 
application as default for this file type" which the word "action" helps 
to rule out.

Users seem to have no problem with conflating together "handler" and 
"action" so an application can be a default action and I think the best 
choice would be to leave "action" alone.

>
>      I meant that one - ppa:lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-daily - I thought it was
> obvious enough out of 4 available. :)  Well, I'm not sure if lxsession
> problems are fixed, it's still in alpha stage now so if you run into some
> problems you can fall back into older version. Other LXDE components are
> working very well, I've added that PPA for few installations already.
>

Maybe in January, then. I really don't have time to risk the stability 
of the session I use for work right now and, even though it's been a 
couple of years since I switched to Lubuntu and I've done version 
pinning once or twice in APT, the only package manager where I feel 
confident about it is Gentoo's Portage.

...which reminds me. I still need to write a clone of eix's core 
functionality for APT. Best hybrid of `apt-cache search` and `apt-cache 
showpkg` I've ever seen for any package manager anywhere.


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