Yes indeed Gordon, And thanks for doing so. On 1 Aug 2011, at 13:01, Gordon Smith wrote:
> Hi Donal > > This has been bugged with Apple and will be fixed. > > Gordon > > On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:57, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Chris, > > Funny you should mention the lack of feedback for downloads. Before Lion was > released, I was having a conversation with Lynne off-list to try to ascertain > (visually) what was going on. there is a visual cue when a download starts, > but absolutely no auditory feedback whatsoever. This is simply ridiculous. > When any other kind of link is activated, the focus moves to either a > different part of the page, a new page, or a piece of multimedia content > starts to run. Surely a simple "download starting" message could happen? > > Dónal > On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:02, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Nic, >> >> Regarding the download situation with Safari. I actually prefer the new >> download pop up, however I wish VO would provide feedback after clicking on >> a downloadable file link and say something like "downloading" and I was >> disappointed to discover that Safari still does not read out the title of >> the web page when switching between tabs. >> >> I have had a couple of weird things happen to me with the rotar too, but >> quite rare. >> >> I might treat myself to a new iMac next year, so hope they do not decide to >> remove the optical drive from that too. >> >> Chris >> On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi Gordon, >>> >>> I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these >>> bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including >>> user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One >>> example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a >>> window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called "popovers," >>> and is accessed via a "Downloads" button in the Safari toolbar. While some >>> bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad >>> enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some >>> general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit engine Safari used to >>> render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot of issues and this still >>> seems to be the case under OS X Lion. >>> >>> While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they >>> seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may >>> be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible >>> workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to >>> nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of >>> them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver >>> not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump to >>> them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important >>> thing to understand. >>> >>> As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed >>> straight away it is probably under investigation. Even if a bug sounds very >>> simple to fix, that does not mean that it is necessarily a simple cause or >>> solution. While Apple does have a devoted accessibility team, that doesn't >>> mean that the fix will be included in the latest update depending on >>> whether or not they can manage to squeeze it into the update. >>> >>> Every time someone buys a Mac, I always recommend trying one if you have a >>> friend who owns a Mac, or simply go to the store. While you won't exactly >>> get a perfect picture in most cases, you may be able to find out if you >>> want to actually try to get to grips with VoiceOver. >>> >>> I wish you luck, in any case. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> The issues only really affect Lion Server, not the regular edition that >>>> you'd get. >>>> >>>> Don't be put off by the pessimists. Those who can't get it working and >>>> so, unreservedly, just condemn. >>>> >>>> I'm having horrendous problems with Lion Server; but let me tell you that >>>> there's far more that's right about Lion than wrong. >>>> >>>> Gordon >>>> >>>> On 1 Aug 2011, at 07:37, David Griffith wrote: >>>> >>>> The torrent of issues with Lion reported on this list over the last few >>>> days >>>> has slightly shaken my confidence in the Mac. I was going to order my I Mac >>>> today. I do not think I will be doing so now. Certainly mails with subjects >>>> like Shame on you Apple are food for thought. >>>> Now it seems sensible to hold on any order until at least some of these >>>> issues are resolved. The issues about difficulties with Mail and Safari >>>> web >>>> browsing and RSS are particularly worrying . These are core basic functions >>>> I need an accessible computer to work well with. Certainly for the money >>>> Apple are asking me for. >>>> It will be a challenge getting to grips with a new system anyway without >>>> also having to grapple with accessibility bugs at the same time. >>>> It will also be annoying if the first thing I have to do is apply >>>> corrective >>>> upgrades and patches. Ideally you should be able to return to the original >>>> install confident everything works well. >>>> >>>> This is disappointing as part of my reason for moving to the Mac was the >>>> belief that it had in built in accessibility upgrades. 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