The two funny ports with the Y shaped logo are indeed FireWire. MacTown has a 6-pin to 6-pin FireWire cable for $19. I don't know if you remember this far back in Mac history, but you used to be able to set your Mac up in SCSI Disk Mode by using a special cable and connecting it to the SCSI port on your Mac. The hard drive of the laptop would mount on the desktop of the other computer. The newer Macs have a similar setup called Target Disk Mode, but it's much simpler, and usually doesn't involve such arcane rituals as setting SCSI IDs, booting devices in a particular order or dancing naked under a full moon with a live chicken. (If you've never tried it, don't knock it!)
If you want to try it, here's the plan... 1. Boot one of your two computers normally. It really doesn't matter which, but I find that booting to the older computer is easier for me. Whichever you prefer though. 2. Connect the FireWire cable between the two computers. It doesn't matter which FireWire ports you use. 3. Boot the second computer, holding down the T key. This forces the computer into Target Disk Mode. 4. The Y shaped icon should begin dancing around the screen on the second computer and its hard drive should mount on the desktop of the first computer. 5. Start copying files from one computer to the other. 6. When you finish copying your files, drag the hard drive icon for computer #2 to the trash to unmount the drive. Then you can unplug the FireWire cable and shut down Computer #2 by pressing its power button. Some benefits to FireWire: 1. It's FAST! 1.3GB of data should copy in a matter of 10-15 minutes. 2. It's easy! 3. In Macs since 1999, it's nearly universal. You can do the Target Disk Mode to pretty much any computer with built in FireWire (except some of the earliest B&W G3s I believe.) I highly recommend all Mac users keep a FireWire cable handy. You never know when you'll need to dump some of your data to another computer and this makes it very simple to do. Bryan C. Forrest Macintosh Specialist LifeNet http://www.lifenet.org On Nov 13, 2003, at 3:01 PM, Ann Richmond wrote: > I don't know if it has firewire. It has on the back in order from left > to right power supply, headphones?, speaker, 2 USB, ethernet, two > unfamiliar plugs--,aybe firewire?--numbered 1 and 2 with a y shaped > symbol, then s video, monitor, and phone. No, I do not have a firwire > cable unless one came with the iMac. > > Bryan Forrest wrote: > >> Just curious, does the Powerbook have FireWire? If so, do you have a >> FireWire cable? You might be able to boot one of the computers into >> Target Disk Mode and move the data over much more quickly. >> >> Bryan C. Forrest >> Macintosh Specialist >> LifeNet >> http://www.lifenet.org >> >> On Nov 13, 2003, at 8:40 AM, Ann Richmond wrote: >> >> Thanks, I think I get it about the switching TCP/IP. >> I still wonder why copying the whole drive from 9 to 10 was sooo >> quick and now from 10 to 9 it is sooooo slow. It has copied only >> 29.5MB of 1.3GB in about 35 mins. Says I have now 34 hours to >> go!!! Ouch indeed! But why the difference in directions I wonder? >> >> Ann >> >> Bryan Forrest wrote: >> >> If it were OS 9 to OS 9, no, you could leave TCP/IP on PPP and >> connect only by AppleTalk via Ethernet. That's the way my >> father's network is set up - TCP/IP set to PPP and filesharing >> via AppleTalk over Ethernet. But, since one of the computers >> is running OS X, you'll have to change your TCP/IP settings to >> do the transfer. Apple is dropping support for AppleTalk in OS >> X, limiting it to broadcasting the computer address (i.e., the >> computer stands up and says "Hi, my name is Bob and I'm a >> Macintosh." /Hi Bob./) and then shifting the data transfer to >> TCP/IP. >> >> Hopefully, your transfer's about done and you aren't sitting >> watching the clock work its way down from 29 hours (OUCH!). >> You'll see the time fluctuate if there are lots of little >> files to copy, as small files are transferred less efficiently >> than larger files. Let me know how it goes and glad I could >> help! >> >> Bryan Forrest >> Macintosh Specialist >> LifeNet >> http://www.lifenet.org >> >> On Nov 13, 2003, at 8:04 AM, Ann Richmond wrote: >> >> Bryan, >> Sorry to be so long getting back on this... >> I did get the IP addresses set right and was able to back up >> the >> laptop via ethernet to the iMac. It took about 30 mins. >> Now I am needing to copy the previously saved whole hard drive >> back to the other laptop. It is doing it but says it will take >> 29hours? Why would it be so much longer in the other >> direction? >> same cables, hub, OSs etc? Or maybe it lies and it isn't >> really >> going to take that long... >> Hope springs.... >> Thanks for all your help. >> Oh, Am I getting something confused or do I really have to >> change >> the TCP/IP settings every time I want to use ethernet for the >> local network or use it for PPP and the dial up modem? >> >> Ann >> >> Bryan Forrest wrote: >> >> Ann, >> >> Are you able to log into the 10.1 computer via IP address? On >> the OS 9 computer, open the chooser, click on AppleShare and a >> button will appear at the bottom right of the Chooser stating >> "Server IP Address." Click that button, enter the IP address >> of your 10.1 computer and click Connect. Same results? >> Different? >> >> Bryan C. Forrest >> Macintosh Specialist >> LifeNet >> http://www.lifenet.org >> >> On Oct 10, 2003, at 8:11 AM, Ann Richmond wrote: >> >> Hi again, >> >> I have confirmed both tcp/ip and appletalk are set to >> ethernet. File sharing is on. Hard drive selected (whole >> thing). >> I don't think the problem is with the OS 9 machines as >> they share among themselves just fine. >> I can't seem to get access to the OS 10 iMac beyond seeing >> it in chooser, selecting it, and being asked for password, >> entering it, then getting the message "the connection to >> this server has been unexpectedly broken". I find the OS >> 10 permissions and multiple user stuff to be a huge pain >> in my ability to cope. Could it have something to do with >> those things? I am signed in as the administrator and my >> password is correct. Sharing is on. The hard drive is the >> selected file to share. >> I would be happy to mount the G3 laptop's hard drive on >> the OS 10 desktop (that is all I really want to do so I >> can back it up) but I can't get that far. Do you have any >> suggestions for doing that? >> >> Thanks, >> Ann >> >> Ward Oldham wrote: >> >> Hi Ann, >> >> Confirm that both your TCP/IP control panel and your >> appletalk control panel are both set to ethernet. >> Confirm that you've done both actions for sharing >> content under OS 9: 1-Turn File Sharing on. 2-Select >> folder(s) you wish to share and select "Sharing" from >> under the File menu. Check the appropriate boxes and >> you're done. >> >> If you continue to have problems, you may want to try >> the basics: >> Run diagnostics, repair directory damage >> Delete/Replace damaged files >> Try starting up with "OS 9 all" extensions only. Does >> it work? >> (if so, troubleshoot problem third party >> extensions/control panels) >> (if not? Check cables and consider performing a clean >> system install) >> >> Your workaround solution is to mount the OS 9 hard >> disks on the OS X Mac?s desktop. >> >> Good Luck, >> Ward >> >> Ward Oldham, MacDude >> MacTown >> 1041 Bardstown Road >> Louisville, KY 40204 >> 502-485-1243 >> ward at mactown.us >> http://www.mactown.us >> >> >> From: Ann Richmond <richmond at qx.net> >> Reply-To: macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu >> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:49:10 -0400 >> To: macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu >> Subject: Re: MacGroup: OS 10.1 >> >> Ward, >> >> Thanks for the suggestions (some time ago. I am >> just getting around to >> this again!). >> I have turned on File Sharing in the iMac and >> designated the hard disk >> to share. >> It can be seen in Chooser from any of the other >> computers on the >> network. I just can't figure out what it means >> when I select it in either OS 9 computer, Chooser >> accepts it, then it >> asks for user name and password which I enter >> correctly. Immediately I >> get a message saying that" the connection has been >> unexpectedly broken. >> "The password is right. Obviously Appletalk is >> working or I couldn't get >> that far.... >> I still can't see any of the other computers from >> the iMac. I guess I am >> looking in the right place. servers on the >> preferences? >> >> Thanks again, >> Ann >> >> >> Ward Oldham wrote: >> >> Hi Ann, >> >> Check on both the PM 9600 and the Powerbook in >> your File Sharing control >> panel and enable sharing via TCP/IP if it >> isn't already. Also, make sure >> your Appletalk control panel and your TCP/IP >> control panels are set to >> connect via ethernet. >> >> Now to see these Macs from your OS X iMac, >> sharing needs to be >> >> >> turned on but >> >> you also have to designate a hard disk, folder >> or folders to be >> >> >> shared as >> >> well. Just turning on File Sharing doesn't do >> the trick. >> >> >> Ward Oldham, MacDude >> MacTown >> 1041 Bardstown Road >> Louisville, KY 40204 >> 502-485-1243 >> ward at mactown.us >> http://www.mactown.us >> >> >> >> >> From: Ann Richmond <richmond at qx.net> >> Reply-To: macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu >> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:10:19 -0400 >> To: Macgroup Macgroup >> <macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu> >> Subject: MacGroup: OS 10.1 >> >> I got the G3 powerbook to work on the >> network. I have no idea what >> finally did it. >> >> Now my daughter has done something in the >> iMac (flat panel, OS 10.1) >> which has made it not function on the >> network. On the 9600 and the >> Powerbook the iMac appears in the chooser >> window. When I select it in >> either computer it asks for user name and >> password which I enter >> correctly. Immediately I get a message >> saying that the connection has >> been broken. >> When on the iMac I open 'connect to >> servers' in the 'Go' menu, I see no >> other computers at all. Chooser and >> Appletalk I can usually muddle >> through. , but I am completely clueless in >> OS10. >> >> Suggestions would be gratefully received. >> >> Thanks, >> Ann Richmond >> >> >> >> | The next meeting of the Louisville >> Computer Society will >> | be August 26. The LCS Web page is >> <http://www.kymac.org>. >> | This list's page is >> >> <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup>. >> >> >> >> >> >> | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer >> Society will >> | be August 26. 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