-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello: I'm a bit baffled by this response, because you're trying to make Chris sound like this reasonable guy who sometimes just might slip with the f-bomb. This is not the case. Less than a month ago I said something that bothered him. I woke up to 20+ emails at least cursing and ranting. There is no call for that.
I'm also going to say I find it mildly amusing that this uproar is because of a specific person but also because how the list has devolved and he just kind of ignores that and moves on to trying to sound sensable again. I'm curious how much of his junk is getting blocked/how soon it will take him to devolve. But to make it clear, this isn't specifically for one person. I feel like I've said this 500 times. It's because the list was allowed to devolve and a majority of the community does not like that. I'm also calling an end to this endless debate on my behalf, no matter what I'll say you'll just scream "You idiot just filter," and that's fine. Chocolate and vanilla, remember? On 8/27/2015 8:59 AM, Scott Granados wrote: > First off, nothing Chris says or could say offends me or for that > matter nothing anyone says on any of these mailing lists offends me > or would chase me away. Secondly, I’ve actually taken the time to > talk to Chris off line and also seen a whole different side to his > responses on another list where there was a lot of attacking going > on so I have radically changed my opinion of him from when I first > ran in to him some time ago. Does he push the boundaries and get > out of line sometimes, sure but so do I and a lot of people. All > moderation means to me is someone either can’t police themselves, > they need to have their hand held and content managed for them and > or someone has a power trip they need to feed and wants their own > personal kingdom to rule over and dictate to everyone else what > they will say or how they will act etc. No thank you. I’d rather > have a little noise and exercise my delete finger than have someone > else dictate content standards to me. > > > So my answer to you is no. > > > Anything Chris >> On Aug 26, 2015, at 4:59 PM, Yuma Decaux <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Scott, >> >> What are you really ttryint to get to? Take the same home >> analogy, or let’s say the social club analogy. A majority is >> agreeing that this guy is detrimental. It’s been months like this >> and in recent dates taking a culminating effect of driving the >> discussion towards what to do with him, on and off list. Your >> words are also getting more radical, mentioning churches etc. >> Don’t you think its time to consider that maybe something does >> need to be done? >> >> >>> On 27/08/2015, at 2:40 AM, Scott Granados >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I think its funny how people like to push the responsibility on >>> to someone else instead of deal with it themselves. >>> >>> If you don’t want to invite someone in to your home then >>> don’t. Nobody forces you to read anything. >>> >>> These are the same busy bodies who want content pulled on TV >>> because someone said something they don’t like or it offends >>> some arbitrary religious value or another. Oh I don’t like what >>> he said in that song, ban it, moderate it, my view is the right >>> view so all others be damned. >>> >>> wow >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Mary Otten <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> For whatever it may be worth, I really think the best thing >>>> would be to have new moderators on this list, rather than >>>> fragmenting the community. I know that is not a new idea as >>>> several have mentioned the same idea. I also don't agree with >>>> the wild West approach. I'm sorry. But when you send email to >>>> a list of several hundred people, you are coming into their >>>> homes. And you did not have a right to abuse that privilege. >>>> Nor should several hundred people be expected to write >>>> filtersbecause of one or two outliers who make itunpleasant >>>> for everybody. If a list is said to be moderated, people who >>>> signed up for that list have a right to expect that the rules >>>> will be followed and that those who do not follow them >>>> consistently will be taken off the list. If you like >>>> unmoderated lists, start one, or, if you want to check one >>>> out, go check out the eyes freelist. The last time I was on >>>> there, which was admittedly many months ago, it was horrible. >>>> I'm not arguing for one strike and you're out or heavy-handed >>>> moderation. But when it becomes clear overtime that a few >>>> people simply cannot follow simple guidelines, then a >>>> moderator needs to take action, or a new moderator needs to >>>> be found. So, I guess I'm joining my voice with the chorus of >>>> those who say that in the best of all worlds, this list would >>>> remain but would have an active moderator who did his or her >>>> job. Mary >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 4:56 AM, Littlefield, Tyler >>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> > Hello Scott, There's a vast difference in overly moderating and > moderating of those who make the community unpleasant for others. > For example, should someone receive an email cursing at them (which > happens here pretty frequently), the problem gets solved with a > moderation. Should it continue, said individual is removed from the > community. > > I'm not proposing that overly prolicing makes a difference, just > that it's possible with an active list owner to create a community > conducive to a place where people can ask questions and provide > help, etc. Can you imagine how much cleaner our inboxes would be (I > myself am somewhat at fault here, as I've said) if we were to > mostly elimenate all the side bickering? On 8/26/2015 7:46 AM, > Scott Granados wrote: >>>>>>> I’m not sure moderation = good community. That’s like >>>>>>> saying policing = a good community and I’d dare say the >>>>>>> folks of Ferguson or South Carolina would disagree with >>>>>>> that assertion.;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You bring up a good point I’m just wondering is the >>>>>>> tightening of the rules going to necessarily translate >>>>>>> in to better content. It might but it’s hard to get >>>>>>> enough people to switch and keep the same value when >>>>>>> there’s already a critical mass of people here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good luck though, as one of my favorite talk radio >>>>>>> hosts used to say before he passed away “that’s why >>>>>>> they make chocolate and vanilla” something for the >>>>>>> different viewpoints. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Littlefield, Tyler >>>>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello: A lot of people have had numerous problems on >>>>>>> this list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My last response on this list was cursed at and nothing >>>>>>> is being done to stop it. As a result of the >>>>>>> spam/cursing/general throwing of fits, I created a new >>>>>>> list where rules can be enforced and we can have a good >>>>>>> community. On 8/26/2015 2:46 AM, 'Gabriele Battaglia' >>>>>>> via MacVisionaries wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Reply to the Littlefield, Tyler's message, wrote >>>>>>>>>> on 26/08/2015 at 05:29: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, sorry but, maybe I lost something. Why a new >>>>>>>>>> list? What is going to happen to this one? >>>>>>>>>> Thanks. Gabriel. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are >>>>>>>> subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" >>>>>>>> group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop >>>>>>>> receiving emails from it, send an email to >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. Visit this >>>>>>>> group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. 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