-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 It's pretty ridiculous that this thread is more than 100 messages long.
On 8/27/2015 2:55 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: > Hello: I'm a bit baffled by this response, because you're trying to > make Chris sound like this reasonable guy who sometimes just might > slip with the f-bomb. This is not the case. Less than a month ago I > said something that bothered him. I woke up to 20+ emails at least > cursing and ranting. There is no call for that. > > I'm also going to say I find it mildly amusing that this uproar is > because of a specific person but also because how the list has > devolved and he just kind of ignores that and moves on to trying > to sound sensable again. I'm curious how much of his junk is > getting blocked/how soon it will take him to devolve. > > But to make it clear, this isn't specifically for one person. I > feel like I've said this 500 times. It's because the list was > allowed to devolve and a majority of the community does not like > that. I'm also calling an end to this endless debate on my behalf, > no matter what I'll say you'll just scream "You idiot just filter," > and that's fine. Chocolate and vanilla, remember? > > On 8/27/2015 8:59 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >> First off, nothing Chris says or could say offends me or for >> that matter nothing anyone says on any of these mailing lists >> offends me or would chase me away. Secondly, I’ve actually taken >> the time to talk to Chris off line and also seen a whole >> different side to his responses on another list where there was a >> lot of attacking going on so I have radically changed my opinion >> of him from when I first ran in to him some time ago. Does he >> push the boundaries and get out of line sometimes, sure but so do >> I and a lot of people. All moderation means to me is someone >> either can’t police themselves, they need to have their hand held >> and content managed for them and or someone has a power trip they >> need to feed and wants their own personal kingdom to rule over >> and dictate to everyone else what they will say or how they will >> act etc. No thank you. I’d rather have a little noise and >> exercise my delete finger than have someone else dictate content >> standards to me. > > >> So my answer to you is no. > > >> Anything Chris >>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 4:59 PM, Yuma Decaux <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Scott, >>> >>> What are you really ttryint to get to? Take the same home >>> analogy, or let’s say the social club analogy. A majority is >>> agreeing that this guy is detrimental. It’s been months like >>> this and in recent dates taking a culminating effect of driving >>> the discussion towards what to do with him, on and off list. >>> Your words are also getting more radical, mentioning churches >>> etc. Don’t you think its time to consider that maybe something >>> does need to be done? >>> >>> >>>> On 27/08/2015, at 2:40 AM, Scott Granados >>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I think its funny how people like to push the responsibility >>>> on to someone else instead of deal with it themselves. >>>> >>>> If you don’t want to invite someone in to your home then >>>> don’t. Nobody forces you to read anything. >>>> >>>> These are the same busy bodies who want content pulled on TV >>>> because someone said something they don’t like or it offends >>>> some arbitrary religious value or another. Oh I don’t like >>>> what he said in that song, ban it, moderate it, my view is >>>> the right view so all others be damned. >>>> >>>> wow >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Mary Otten >>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> For whatever it may be worth, I really think the best >>>>> thing would be to have new moderators on this list, rather >>>>> than fragmenting the community. I know that is not a new >>>>> idea as several have mentioned the same idea. I also don't >>>>> agree with the wild West approach. I'm sorry. But when you >>>>> send email to a list of several hundred people, you are >>>>> coming into their homes. And you did not have a right to >>>>> abuse that privilege. Nor should several hundred people be >>>>> expected to write filtersbecause of one or two outliers who >>>>> make itunpleasant for everybody. If a list is said to be >>>>> moderated, people who signed up for that list have a right >>>>> to expect that the rules will be followed and that those >>>>> who do not follow them consistently will be taken off the >>>>> list. If you like unmoderated lists, start one, or, if you >>>>> want to check one out, go check out the eyes freelist. The >>>>> last time I was on there, which was admittedly many months >>>>> ago, it was horrible. I'm not arguing for one strike and >>>>> you're out or heavy-handed moderation. But when it becomes >>>>> clear overtime that a few people simply cannot follow >>>>> simple guidelines, then a moderator needs to take action, >>>>> or a new moderator needs to be found. So, I guess I'm >>>>> joining my voice with the chorus of those who say that in >>>>> the best of all worlds, this list would remain but would >>>>> have an active moderator who did his or her job. Mary >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 4:56 AM, Littlefield, Tyler >>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >> Hello Scott, There's a vast difference in overly moderating and >> moderating of those who make the community unpleasant for >> others. For example, should someone receive an email cursing at >> them (which happens here pretty frequently), the problem gets >> solved with a moderation. Should it continue, said individual is >> removed from the community. > >> I'm not proposing that overly prolicing makes a difference, just >> that it's possible with an active list owner to create a >> community conducive to a place where people can ask questions and >> provide help, etc. Can you imagine how much cleaner our inboxes >> would be (I myself am somewhat at fault here, as I've said) if we >> were to mostly elimenate all the side bickering? On 8/26/2015 >> 7:46 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >>>>>>>> I’m not sure moderation = good community. That’s >>>>>>>> like saying policing = a good community and I’d dare >>>>>>>> say the folks of Ferguson or South Carolina would >>>>>>>> disagree with that assertion.;) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You bring up a good point I’m just wondering is the >>>>>>>> tightening of the rules going to necessarily >>>>>>>> translate in to better content. It might but it’s >>>>>>>> hard to get enough people to switch and keep the same >>>>>>>> value when there’s already a critical mass of people >>>>>>>> here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good luck though, as one of my favorite talk radio >>>>>>>> hosts used to say before he passed away “that’s why >>>>>>>> they make chocolate and vanilla” something for the >>>>>>>> different viewpoints. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Littlefield, Tyler >>>>>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello: A lot of people have had numerous problems on >>>>>>>> this list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My last response on this list was cursed at and >>>>>>>> nothing is being done to stop it. As a result of the >>>>>>>> spam/cursing/general throwing of fits, I created a >>>>>>>> new list where rules can be enforced and we can have >>>>>>>> a good community. On 8/26/2015 2:46 AM, 'Gabriele >>>>>>>> Battaglia' via MacVisionaries wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Reply to the Littlefield, Tyler's message, >>>>>>>>>>> wrote on 26/08/2015 at 05:29: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, sorry but, maybe I lost something. Why a >>>>>>>>>>> new list? What is going to happen to this one? >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. Gabriel. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are >>>>>>>>> subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" >>>>>>>>> group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop >>>>>>>>> receiving emails from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. Visit >>>>>>>>> this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. 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