Olivia, That is really incredible your using Numbers for a statistics course. I am very impressed and I really need to find more time to work with Numbers and Pages myself. I wish I had more hours in a day, but I am going to try working with Keynote to modify an existing powerpoint file someone gave me. That should be quite an experience.
On Apr 22, 2010, at 1:44 PM, olivia norman wrote: > I am able to use numbers to enter data, do functions like sums, and read > spreadsheets. I don't really know much about excel and jaws, but I'm not > willing to pay the $1000 to get jaws, when numbers works well. I use it for > my personal budgett, as well as a statistics class I'm taking this semester. > If office becomes accessible, I will certainly consider purchasing that, > because I feel that it would make it easier to use my mac for employment > purposes, but in the meantime I'm doing fine with iWork 09. > Olivia > "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower", Steve Jobs > > On Apr 22, 2010, at 6:56 AM, peter Apgar wrote: > >> I would have to agree. Mac's spread sheath software doesn't hold a candle >> to excel. I have problems similar to ones previously listed in this thread >> with searches. As for formulas I have had issues with complex reference >> formulas. I will also note that many of my problems with the Mac are a >> result of not being able to spend enough time with the different programs. >> My job requires complex tasks with excel and those are often transferable to >> my personal life with budgeting payment calculations ect. The largest >> hurdle to using the Mac is weather or not you can incorporate it to your >> employment. If this is the case there is not a better system out there. If >> your required to operate windows and many of the MS programs the >> transition can be a killer. Bring on MS office in Coco. Sorry for the >> rant. >> >> Pete >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dan Roy >> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:21 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: the apple user? >> >> Buddy: >> >> yes, I did try tables, and, yes, it will read the contents of a cell, >> however, I had 1 heck of a time with it reading formulas, the type of column >> I was in etc. Also, I could find no easy way to have it read the row and >> column at the same time. yes, it's somewhat usable in a pinch. However, >> unfortunately, nothing like jaws and Excel. I wish it was different, and, >> it could be that I am not knowledgeable enough to get it going as well as I >> should. If you have suggestions, I am listening with vary open ears, grins! >> >> >> On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:22 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: >> >>> Have you tried tables? >>> -- >>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA >>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Dan Roy wrote: >>> >>>> I love my Mac and would never go back to using windows as my main >> machine. However,the point about spreadsheets is, unfortunately, a good 1. >> I am forced to use windows for spreadsheet work, for now anyway! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:38 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>>> >>>>> good morning Denise, >>>>> >>>>> I would agree with the others who have replied to this thread stating >> that the Mac can be used as a productivity tool. I am a University >> professor (in the American sense of that word rather than the Uk/Irish >> meaning) which means I must use my mac to write papers, grade student exams >> and to carry out other functions. However, I have not totally abandoned my >> Dell. While the word processor in iWork 09 is accessible, I don't like >> either the Numbers spreadsheet application or indeed the access provided by >> VO. It's just an opinion, and no doubt the zealots on this list will >> vehemently disagree, but I still believe that the browsing of spreadsheets >> using Jaws is unparallelled. Vo lacks the kinds of semantic access to this >> kind of data that Jaws/Excel provide. >>>>> >>>>> I would particularly agree with the comment which said "preview" is a >> lovely PDF reader, however it has given me problems when used in full-screen >> mode. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> Dónal >>>>> On 21 Apr 2010, at 01:23, denise avant wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes. Particularly since I am a lawyer with the public defenders >>>>>> office. And my primary role as an appellate and post-conviction >>>>>> attorney is to write briefs, with case citations. >>>>>> >>>>>> I knew about the fusion program, as I have spent time talking to >>>>>> others about the program. I didn't know about the snap shot. >>>>>> >>>>>> So thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John J Herzog >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:14 PM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: the apple user? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> As a macbook user, who has to write substantial papers for law >>>>>> school, and who has used his computer at a summer internship with >>>>>> Pepsico, I feel I can helpfully answer your questions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Forgive the length of this email. >>>>>> >>>>>> First, the idea that macs are only play toys is complete and utter >> nonsense. >>>>>> On my mac, I do use the apps like Itunes and Ichat, but I use >>>>>> serious apps as well. Iwork is quite accessible, as is text edit, >>>>>> allowing you to do extensive formatting of documents. Also, the >>>>>> preview application on the mac is one of the best PDF readers I >>>>>> have ever seen. The text is readable with voiceover, and there are >>>>>> few, if any crashes. What other screen readers can you say that about? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Next, I will address your concern about microsoft office >>>>>> applications not being accessible. It is true that they do not work >>>>>> with voiceover. However, for about seventy dollars, you can pick up a >> program called VMware fusion. >>>>>> Fusion allows you to install windows and run it at the same time as >>>>>> your mac. This means that you can use whatever screen reader you >>>>>> like for windows and run office without a hitch. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is one more upside to running fusion on mac. After you have >>>>>> configured windows just the way you want it, you can create what is >>>>>> known as a snapshot. The snapshot will restore your system to its >>>>>> exact configuration at the time you took it, meaning you will >>>>>> always have a fresh install of windows, office, and your screen >>>>>> reader a click away. It's awesome, because it does a complete and >>>>>> utter system restore when windows decides to go south on you. For a >>>>>> blind person, I actually think a mac with fusion is better than a >>>>>> standard windows PC for this reason. Note that a fusion snapshot >>>>>> literally restores all files and settings to the way they were when >>>>>> you took it. It is much more extensive than using the built in >>>>>> windows system restore utility. It has saved my skin a number of times, >> and I will give you a perfect example. >>>>>> >>>>>> At the beginning of law school, I found it necessary to purchase a >>>>>> scanner with a document feeder. Previously, I had a different >>>>>> scanner that I was using with kurzweil 1000. Now, when I installed >>>>>> the twain drivers for the new scanner, after trying to >>>>>> unsuccessfully remove the old drivers, I found myself in a >>>>>> situation where neither set worked. If I had a standard windows >>>>>> machine, I was facing the real possibility of having to reinstall >>>>>> windows to get either unit to work reliably. Either that, or it was >>>>>> having to spend hours and hours messing with system dll files, and we >> all know what happens after that. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, instead, I just restored a snapshot I made of my XP machine >>>>>> prior to having installed either Kurzweil or the scanner software. >>>>>> I then installed both on what was essentially a fresh copy of >>>>>> windows, and all was smooth sailing from there. It saved me from >>>>>> endless headaches, plus the burden of having to get a sighted >>>>>> person to help install the screen reader again, and the time that would >> have been wasted in such a pursuit. >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope this helps answer your questions. >>>>>> >>>>>> John >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> P.S. If you go to www.blindcooltech.com, you can find some >>>>>> excellent demos of the macintosh by Mike Arigo. He even shows how >>>>>> fusion and voiceover work, and he runs window eyes on the XP side of >> things. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 7:52 PM, denise avant wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Please forgive the length of this message. >>>>>> >>>>>> In researching the issue of whether to purchase an apple mac or >>>>>> not, I've come across a few people who have expressed criticism if >>>>>> not concern about the mac computers themselves. I own the iphone, >>>>>> and have enjoyed it tremendously. I've been able to do things with >>>>>> the phone I was never able to do with other phones. The only >>>>>> problem I still have is putting in extensions and account numbers once >> the number is connected. >>>>>> >>>>>> But having said this, I seriously doubt whether I will ever buy >>>>>> another phone, where I don't have accessibility built in. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is an applestoe here in Chicago, and when I've had any >>>>>> problem of any kind, the sales staff has been very easy to deal with. >>>>>> >>>>>> Even when I call on the telephone, I find a very friendly staff. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have my own personal sales representative since I have mac book >>>>>> pro on the drawing board. >>>>>> >>>>>> What I enjoy most of all, is that I can go to an appelstore, and >>>>>> with the exception of a couple of products, there is accessibility >>>>>> right out of the box, with no extra costs or smas to worry about. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm seeking opinions from those of you who use these computers with >>>>>> voice over. The biggest criticism I've heard that if you're >>>>>> conducting a business or doing a serious project, the mac is not >>>>>> for the blind user. This apparently has to do with the fact that >>>>>> the office aps are not accessible with vo, and iwork9 acts strangely >> sometimes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Basically, one person, who doesn't use the mac, but is familiar >>>>>> with the product line, told me that the operating system was those >>>>>> who wanted to "play." >>>>>> >>>>>> Can those you have used the macbooks or other appel operating >>>>>> systems address these issues. 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