Keynote works really well for me. I just finished creating my portion of a powerpoint presentation for a group project using it. If you'd like some pointers with numbers, email me and I can try to help. :) Olivia "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
On Apr 22, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > Olivia, > > That is really incredible your using Numbers for a statistics course. I am > very impressed and I really need to find more time to work with Numbers and > Pages myself. I wish I had more hours in a day, but I am going to try working > with Keynote to modify an existing powerpoint file someone gave me. That > should be quite an experience. > > On Apr 22, 2010, at 1:44 PM, olivia norman wrote: > >> I am able to use numbers to enter data, do functions like sums, and read >> spreadsheets. I don't really know much about excel and jaws, but I'm not >> willing to pay the $1000 to get jaws, when numbers works well. I use it for >> my personal budgett, as well as a statistics class I'm taking this semester. >> If office becomes accessible, I will certainly consider purchasing that, >> because I feel that it would make it easier to use my mac for employment >> purposes, but in the meantime I'm doing fine with iWork 09. >> Olivia >> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower", Steve Jobs >> >> On Apr 22, 2010, at 6:56 AM, peter Apgar wrote: >> >>> I would have to agree. Mac's spread sheath software doesn't hold a candle >>> to excel. I have problems similar to ones previously listed in this thread >>> with searches. As for formulas I have had issues with complex reference >>> formulas. I will also note that many of my problems with the Mac are a >>> result of not being able to spend enough time with the different programs. >>> My job requires complex tasks with excel and those are often transferable to >>> my personal life with budgeting payment calculations ect. The largest >>> hurdle to using the Mac is weather or not you can incorporate it to your >>> employment. If this is the case there is not a better system out there. If >>> your required to operate windows and many of the MS programs the >>> transition can be a killer. Bring on MS office in Coco. Sorry for the >>> rant. >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dan Roy >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:21 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: the apple user? >>> >>> Buddy: >>> >>> yes, I did try tables, and, yes, it will read the contents of a cell, >>> however, I had 1 heck of a time with it reading formulas, the type of column >>> I was in etc. Also, I could find no easy way to have it read the row and >>> column at the same time. yes, it's somewhat usable in a pinch. However, >>> unfortunately, nothing like jaws and Excel. I wish it was different, and, >>> it could be that I am not knowledgeable enough to get it going as well as I >>> should. If you have suggestions, I am listening with vary open ears, grins! >>> >>> >>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:22 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: >>> >>>> Have you tried tables? >>>> -- >>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA >>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Dan Roy wrote: >>>> >>>>> I love my Mac and would never go back to using windows as my main >>> machine. However,the point about spreadsheets is, unfortunately, a good 1. >>> I am forced to use windows for spreadsheet work, for now anyway! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:38 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> good morning Denise, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would agree with the others who have replied to this thread stating >>> that the Mac can be used as a productivity tool. I am a University >>> professor (in the American sense of that word rather than the Uk/Irish >>> meaning) which means I must use my mac to write papers, grade student exams >>> and to carry out other functions. However, I have not totally abandoned my >>> Dell. While the word processor in iWork 09 is accessible, I don't like >>> either the Numbers spreadsheet application or indeed the access provided by >>> VO. It's just an opinion, and no doubt the zealots on this list will >>> vehemently disagree, but I still believe that the browsing of spreadsheets >>> using Jaws is unparallelled. Vo lacks the kinds of semantic access to this >>> kind of data that Jaws/Excel provide. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would particularly agree with the comment which said "preview" is a >>> lovely PDF reader, however it has given me problems when used in full-screen >>> mode. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> >>>>>> Dónal >>>>>> On 21 Apr 2010, at 01:23, denise avant wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes. Particularly since I am a lawyer with the public defenders >>>>>>> office. And my primary role as an appellate and post-conviction >>>>>>> attorney is to write briefs, with case citations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I knew about the fusion program, as I have spent time talking to >>>>>>> others about the program. I didn't know about the snap shot. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John J Herzog >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:14 PM >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Subject: Re: the apple user? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As a macbook user, who has to write substantial papers for law >>>>>>> school, and who has used his computer at a summer internship with >>>>>>> Pepsico, I feel I can helpfully answer your questions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Forgive the length of this email. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First, the idea that macs are only play toys is complete and utter >>> nonsense. >>>>>>> On my mac, I do use the apps like Itunes and Ichat, but I use >>>>>>> serious apps as well. Iwork is quite accessible, as is text edit, >>>>>>> allowing you to do extensive formatting of documents. Also, the >>>>>>> preview application on the mac is one of the best PDF readers I >>>>>>> have ever seen. The text is readable with voiceover, and there are >>>>>>> few, if any crashes. What other screen readers can you say that about? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Next, I will address your concern about microsoft office >>>>>>> applications not being accessible. It is true that they do not work >>>>>>> with voiceover. However, for about seventy dollars, you can pick up a >>> program called VMware fusion. >>>>>>> Fusion allows you to install windows and run it at the same time as >>>>>>> your mac. This means that you can use whatever screen reader you >>>>>>> like for windows and run office without a hitch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is one more upside to running fusion on mac. After you have >>>>>>> configured windows just the way you want it, you can create what is >>>>>>> known as a snapshot. The snapshot will restore your system to its >>>>>>> exact configuration at the time you took it, meaning you will >>>>>>> always have a fresh install of windows, office, and your screen >>>>>>> reader a click away. It's awesome, because it does a complete and >>>>>>> utter system restore when windows decides to go south on you. For a >>>>>>> blind person, I actually think a mac with fusion is better than a >>>>>>> standard windows PC for this reason. Note that a fusion snapshot >>>>>>> literally restores all files and settings to the way they were when >>>>>>> you took it. It is much more extensive than using the built in >>>>>>> windows system restore utility. It has saved my skin a number of times, >>> and I will give you a perfect example. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At the beginning of law school, I found it necessary to purchase a >>>>>>> scanner with a document feeder. Previously, I had a different >>>>>>> scanner that I was using with kurzweil 1000. Now, when I installed >>>>>>> the twain drivers for the new scanner, after trying to >>>>>>> unsuccessfully remove the old drivers, I found myself in a >>>>>>> situation where neither set worked. If I had a standard windows >>>>>>> machine, I was facing the real possibility of having to reinstall >>>>>>> windows to get either unit to work reliably. Either that, or it was >>>>>>> having to spend hours and hours messing with system dll files, and we >>> all know what happens after that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, instead, I just restored a snapshot I made of my XP machine >>>>>>> prior to having installed either Kurzweil or the scanner software. >>>>>>> I then installed both on what was essentially a fresh copy of >>>>>>> windows, and all was smooth sailing from there. It saved me from >>>>>>> endless headaches, plus the burden of having to get a sighted >>>>>>> person to help install the screen reader again, and the time that would >>> have been wasted in such a pursuit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope this helps answer your questions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P.S. If you go to www.blindcooltech.com, you can find some >>>>>>> excellent demos of the macintosh by Mike Arigo. He even shows how >>>>>>> fusion and voiceover work, and he runs window eyes on the XP side of >>> things. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 7:52 PM, denise avant wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please forgive the length of this message. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In researching the issue of whether to purchase an apple mac or >>>>>>> not, I've come across a few people who have expressed criticism if >>>>>>> not concern about the mac computers themselves. I own the iphone, >>>>>>> and have enjoyed it tremendously. I've been able to do things with >>>>>>> the phone I was never able to do with other phones. The only >>>>>>> problem I still have is putting in extensions and account numbers once >>> the number is connected. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But having said this, I seriously doubt whether I will ever buy >>>>>>> another phone, where I don't have accessibility built in. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is an applestoe here in Chicago, and when I've had any >>>>>>> problem of any kind, the sales staff has been very easy to deal with. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Even when I call on the telephone, I find a very friendly staff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have my own personal sales representative since I have mac book >>>>>>> pro on the drawing board. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What I enjoy most of all, is that I can go to an appelstore, and >>>>>>> with the exception of a couple of products, there is accessibility >>>>>>> right out of the box, with no extra costs or smas to worry about. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm seeking opinions from those of you who use these computers with >>>>>>> voice over. The biggest criticism I've heard that if you're >>>>>>> conducting a business or doing a serious project, the mac is not >>>>>>> for the blind user. This apparently has to do with the fact that >>>>>>> the office aps are not accessible with vo, and iwork9 acts strangely >>> sometimes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Basically, one person, who doesn't use the mac, but is familiar >>>>>>> with the product line, told me that the operating system was those >>>>>>> who wanted to "play." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can those you have used the macbooks or other appel operating >>>>>>> systems address these issues. 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