Hi Chris Yeah that's the one I meant. I have noticed that sometimes when I press the zoom button, things work a bit better in mail for a while. Sometimes, it fixes an inability to interact for instance. It was just a wild guess. I have no sight so have no idea what the zoom button actually did. Have you played with the sliders. Mine are at 100 % and vo backslash worked for me initially to open disclosure triangles. Now right and left arrows do the trick. Like you, I don't interact with the messages table either and have it in standard view, not classic. I wonder if the ability to customise Mac Mail to such a great extent is actually its downfall for VO users? I mean, lots of people seem to be having lots of issues, and not all of us can find a consistent fix? I still can't take things out of the favourites bar despite Ricardo's excellent instructions.They go inside other mail boxes so I've stopped trying for now. And those buttons in between the mailboxes and messages tables are annoying if you like to tab between them. VO j only works if you don't have a preview pane, which I like to have open so I can hear the beginning of a message without having to interact with the text or press enter on it to open it. I wonder if mail a bit too customisable for its own good. Lisette
On 1/08/2012, at 7:13 PM, "Christopher-Mark gilland" <[email protected]> wrote: > OK, when you say the zoom button, are you referring to the one up by the > title bar and the close button, etc? > > Right now, the mail window is taking up the entire screen without having to > be in full screen view. I know this, as I have a little bit of vision, > though definitely not enough actually to physically read the screen. If I > hit the zoom button it scales down to about maybe half the screen. Either > way though, it's not having any baring. > > Chris. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisette Wesseling" > <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 2:49 AM > Subject: Re: utterly in barest: question about mail Olmac OS X 10.8 Mountain > lion > > > Have you tried pressing the zoom button? > On 1/08/2012, at 2:12 PM, Chris Gilland <[email protected]> wrote: > >> as I stated in my initial message, yes. I have tried this as well. I have >> tried VO\, right arrow, VO right arrow, the oh space I have literally tried >> everything. Nothing seems to be doing the trick. Even closing and reopening >> mail, restarting voiceover, and even going as far as to restart my entire >> MacBook nothing is working. >> >> thanks, Chris. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Alex Hall <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I, too, use ML in standard view. I interact with the table, but I close >>> mail so rarely that this is not a hastle. You mentioned disclosure >>> triangles. Have you tried vo-backslash yet? It seems unnecessary since the >>> right arrow should work, but it may help in the meantime. >>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:55 PM, Chris Gilland <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> yes, I most certainly have. Remember, we are not talking lion, nor snow >>>> leopard here. We are speaking specifically 10.8 Mountain lion. also, >>>> remember, I first am not interacting with the message list table. I simply >>>> VO right arrow over to it, and then use my up and down arrow keys to move >>>> through the list of messages. I do not first interact. I do not look at >>>> each column of the message list table individually like some people do. I >>>> did try interacting however, just to see if it would work. It did not. >>>> there has got to be someway to expand that disclosure triangle, but I just >>>> cannot figure it out. restarting voiceover, did no good, neither did >>>> restarting mail. Furthermore, restarting my entire Mac did absolutely no >>>> good. I am quite sure that there should be a fairly easy solution to this >>>> problem, I just am drawing a mental blank on what that solution would be. >>>> Normally, I am extremely good with this type of stuff, however I must say, >>>> this time, I am completely baffled. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:49 PM, Alex Hall <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I use right arrow just fine. I know this is basic, but have you tried a >>>>> restart? Maybe start with closing and re-opening mail? >>>>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Chris Gilland <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> okay. Now, I feel incredibly humiliated, not to mention utterly >>>>>> embarrassed! >>>>>> >>>>>> the very email thread that may have answered this question, I deleted >>>>>> thinking was completely irrelevant to me at the current time. I am >>>>>> currently using the Standard view of mail. I am 100% certain that I am >>>>>> not set to the classic view. I know exactly how to switch it however if >>>>>> I need to. I furthermore have disabled the option to Group related >>>>>> messages. usually, I do not interact with the message list table. I >>>>>> simply VO right Aero over to it, and then just use my up and down arrow >>>>>> keys to move through the list of messages. If I want to read an email, I >>>>>> didn't press VO J to jump to the message body and begin reading. excuse >>>>>> me. Siri totally messed that last sentence up. I was trying to say I >>>>>> then press VO J to jump to the body of the message and begin reading. >>>>>> got a love dictating on an iPhone! LOL! frankly, I'm lazy, and do not >>>>>> feel like going back and editing. Sorry. Anyway… I have conversation >>>>>> thread view enabled. whenever I see a thread that has multiple >>>>>> conversations with in it, say, two conversations, or more, I cannot for >>>>>> the life of me figure out how to expand the conversations. I have tried >>>>>> hitting just the right arrow key, VO right Aravind, pressing VO\, and >>>>>> more, to absolutely no avail. I haven't even gone so far as to press VO >>>>>> space on the email thinking that that would expand, however that also >>>>>> did absolutely no good. what is the best method for doing this. I love >>>>>> my conversation thread view! I used it on a very regular basis and lion. >>>>>> I never thought that I would see the day I would like using mail that >>>>>> way, but I actually swear by it! if there is a conversation thread that >>>>>> I do not wish to read, I can simply hit the delete key on the topmost >>>>>> node of the thread, and just like that: Bam! The whole thread is now >>>>>> gone. absolutely brilliant! As of now, I have disabled thread view until >>>>>> I can get a more concrete answer on the best method for doing this. I >>>>>> hope that this feature has not been broken in Mountain lion from a >>>>>> voiceover perspective. That would royally suck, if so. >>>>>> >>>>>> again I am quite positive that this question has already been >>>>>> answered/addressed, however I was a stupid idiot and deleted the thread >>>>>> without first thinking that later it might be relevant to me. I feel >>>>>> like a total fool. >>>>>> >>>>>> anyway, thank you for your help. I promise I will try to be more careful >>>>>> with my email in the future going forward. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Have a great day, >>>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >>>>> [email protected]; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >>> Have a great day, >>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >>> [email protected]; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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