Actually, I think you mean vo+left. If you go to the top with vo+home, or for that mind, fn+vo+left arrow, then start moving to the right, you're not gonna see it. Technically, vo+home or the above mentioned command, doesn't literally take you to the top of the window. I mean ok, it does, but it doesn't. It does, in the since that there really isn't usually anything to the left you'd ever really need to fool with, regardless the window, but generally, if you wanna get to the actual close button, zoom button, etc. you have to go to the top, then vo+left, at which point you'll hit the zoom button.
Another way is to go to the window menu in the menu bar, then hit the zoom option. Be careful though doing this, as it actually can have weird effects if you're not careful. Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Hall To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 9:27 AM Subject: Re: utterly in barest: question about mail Olmac OS X 10.8 Mountain lion It is almost always one of the first buttons in a dialog. Just go to the top of the window and vo-right until you find it. On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:17 AM, Kliphton <[email protected]> wrote: What and where is the zoom button? On Aug 1, 2012, at 1:49 AM, Lisette Wesseling <[email protected]> wrote: Have you tried pressing the zoom button? On 1/08/2012, at 2:12 PM, Chris Gilland <[email protected]> wrote: as I stated in my initial message, yes. I have tried this as well. I have tried VO\, right arrow, VO right arrow, the oh space I have literally tried everything. Nothing seems to be doing the trick. Even closing and reopening mail, restarting voiceover, and even going as far as to restart my entire MacBook nothing is working. thanks, Chris. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Alex Hall <[email protected]> wrote: I, too, use ML in standard view. I interact with the table, but I close mail so rarely that this is not a hastle. You mentioned disclosure triangles. Have you tried vo-backslash yet? It seems unnecessary since the right arrow should work, but it may help in the meantime. On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:55 PM, Chris Gilland <[email protected]> wrote: yes, I most certainly have. Remember, we are not talking lion, nor snow leopard here. We are speaking specifically 10.8 Mountain lion. also, remember, I first am not interacting with the message list table. I simply VO right arrow over to it, and then use my up and down arrow keys to move through the list of messages. I do not first interact. I do not look at each column of the message list table individually like some people do. I did try interacting however, just to see if it would work. It did not. there has got to be someway to expand that disclosure triangle, but I just cannot figure it out. restarting voiceover, did no good, neither did restarting mail. Furthermore, restarting my entire Mac did absolutely no good. I am quite sure that there should be a fairly easy solution to this problem, I just am drawing a mental blank on what that solution would be. Normally, I am extremely good with this type of stuff, however I must say, this time, I am completely baffled. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:49 PM, Alex Hall <[email protected]> wrote: I use right arrow just fine. I know this is basic, but have you tried a restart? Maybe start with closing and re-opening mail? On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Chris Gilland <[email protected]> wrote: okay. Now, I feel incredibly humiliated, not to mention utterly embarrassed! the very email thread that may have answered this question, I deleted thinking was completely irrelevant to me at the current time. I am currently using the Standard view of mail. I am 100% certain that I am not set to the classic view. I know exactly how to switch it however if I need to. I furthermore have disabled the option to Group related messages. usually, I do not interact with the message list table. I simply VO right Aero over to it, and then just use my up and down arrow keys to move through the list of messages. If I want to read an email, I didn't press VO J to jump to the message body and begin reading. excuse me. Siri totally messed that last sentence up. I was trying to say I then press VO J to jump to the body of the message and begin reading. got a love dictating on an iPhone! LOL! frankly, I'm lazy, and do not feel like going back and editing. Sorry. Anyway… I have conversation thread view enabled. whenever I see a thread that has multiple conversations with in it, say, two conversations, or more, I cannot for the life of me figure out how to expand the conversations. I have tried hitting just the right arrow key, VO right Aravind, pressing VO\, and more, to absolutely no avail. I haven't even gone so far as to press VO space on the email thinking that that would expand, however that also did absolutely no good. what is the best method for doing this. I love my conversation thread view! I used it on a very regular basis and lion. I never thought that I would see the day I would like using mail that way, but I actually swear by it! if there is a conversation thread that I do not wish to read, I can simply hit the delete key on the topmost node of the thread, and just like that: Bam! The whole thread is now gone. absolutely brilliant! As of now, I have disabled thread view until I can get a more concrete answer on the best method for doing this. I hope that this feature has not been broken in Mountain lion from a voiceover perspective. That would royally suck, if so. again I am quite positive that this question has already been answered/addressed, however I was a stupid idiot and deleted the thread without first thinking that later it might be relevant to me. I feel like a total fool. anyway, thank you for your help. I promise I will try to be more careful with my email in the future going forward. Chris. Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. 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