On 10/14/19 6:03 AM, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: >> Small senders do just fine getting into Google. > > Well, as I already mentioned, I moved my mailserver to my current hosting > right about 18 months ago. Had no problems - until now. So, the fact that > you have no problems currently doesn't mean you can't run into problems > later - with no fault on your part whatsoever. Email delivery to big > receivers like Google just isn't as reliable as it should be. >
I'm replying at a random point in this thread. I see two separate problems here that are getting conflated. 1. It's not fair to judge a sender by his neighbors. Well, kind of. Our in-house blacklists are tended manually, and we keep evidence for every listing so that if we later have to explain ourselves, we can. If I get one spam from one IP in your netblock, I ban that IP. If I get spam from two IPs in your netblock, I ban them both. If I get spam from three, and I have to spend half an hour typing up commit messages and pushing to repos and classifying evidence... then to hell with you, I'm blocking the whole thing. It's now *your* problem. That's the price you pay for having a real human over here. However, if we block you, you can just read the rejection message and get in touch with me or a coworker easily and we'll add an exception for you, because we care that our users get your mail. This is where the second issue comes into play. In general, overzealous blocking is not a life or death issue; but with Google, there's no one to appeal to. And that's the crux of your problem. This first issue about reputation is being argued pointlessly. The real problem is that 2. Google doesn't give a shit about you. They don't care if you or anyone else can send/receive mail, because that's not how they make money. You're not going to convince them to care, and so long as they don't, your problems are only going to get worse. No one's going to tell you how to fix *this* issue because there is no solution -- that's why you're getting the next best thing, namely advice to switch providers and pray that Google doesn't feel like blocking your new host, too. "Old man yells at cloud," but that's the truth. Being a good guy isn't a great business model in any unregulated industry. _______________________________________________ mailop mailing list [email protected] https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
