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Your argument is unassailable… I’m "pro-Stein,” not "pro-Trump"; but I am "anti-war" and "anti-Clinton." And I’m Marxist the way Chomsky is (although I think he’s wrong about Clinton): "I think that the libertarian socialist concepts - and by that I mean a range of thinking that extends from left-wing Marxism through anarchism - are fundamentally correct and that they are the proper and natural extension of classical liberalism into the era of advanced industrial society.” ['Government in the Future,' 1970] —CGE > On Aug 31, 2016, at 10:37 PM, Mark Lause <[email protected]> wrote: > > You don't buy the standard repackaged Democratic horsecrap and you are > "pro-Trump." > > What utter stupidity passes for Marxism!!!! > > On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:33 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Marxism > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > I assume you mean Glen Ford’s piece on Black Agenda Report, which I suggest > people read for themselves: > > <http://www.blackagendareport.com/trump_anti-empire > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blackagendareport.com_trump-5Fanti-2Dempire&d=CwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=xxOBNNgZYr_FZzj8fVpGqSgEe0zshO0se5zQXt2eEqk&s=dwvyqjDVT6bYTeX0YQo_7uOaGqP0mxLeQNJLIgh9zDU&e=> > <http://www.blackagendareport.com/trump_anti-empire > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blackagendareport.com_trump-5Fanti-2Dempire&d=CwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=xxOBNNgZYr_FZzj8fVpGqSgEe0zshO0se5zQXt2eEqk&s=dwvyqjDVT6bYTeX0YQo_7uOaGqP0mxLeQNJLIgh9zDU&e=>>>. > > An appropriate companion piece is > <https://consortiumnews.com/2016/06/20/trump-as-the-relative-peace-candidate/ > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__consortiumnews.com_2016_06_20_trump-2Das-2Dthe-2Drelative-2Dpeace-2Dcandidate_&d=CwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=xxOBNNgZYr_FZzj8fVpGqSgEe0zshO0se5zQXt2eEqk&s=VQomarC4o_Hv4Tzo-A4kUiJlfaH5Zlu12C6M1X4o890&e=> > > <https://consortiumnews.com/2016/06/20/trump-as-the-relative-peace-candidate/ > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__consortiumnews.com_2016_06_20_trump-2Das-2Dthe-2Drelative-2Dpeace-2Dcandidate_&d=CwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=xxOBNNgZYr_FZzj8fVpGqSgEe0zshO0se5zQXt2eEqk&s=VQomarC4o_Hv4Tzo-A4kUiJlfaH5Zlu12C6M1X4o890&e=>>>. > > —CGE > > > > On Aug 31, 2016, at 9:11 PM, A.R. G <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Carl, > > > > The piece you cited does not make a whole lot of sense. The first argument > > is his position on military bases. Outside of this being an incomparably > > small token of "isolationism" alongside threats to nuke people, send in > > ground troops, drones, and his use of torture, all he said was that he > > would reverse the arrangement such that those countries would be expected > > to pay the United States, rather than vice versa. He has taken a similar > > line with NATO. The second argument is that he does not accept the > > "rhetoric" of nation-building and so on; but even president-elect George W. > > Bush rejected such rationales during the 2000 election. This only means he > > is not as interested in sugar-coating such policies with the rhetoric of > > democracy and universalism. The last line was his "neutrality" rhetoric > > about Palestine. Even assuming we give that any credibility (one might note > > that even at the time, Trump combined his statements about "neutrality" > > with his affirmation that he was pro-Israel, meaning that he simply > > re-defined "neutral" to mean support for Israel), it has long since been > > surpassed by his adamant and aggressive support for Israel. > > > > It is an incredibly weak piece. The only part of it that even remotely > > speaks to what is "anti-empire" about Trump's policies is the isolationist > > rhetoric about US bases in Asia. Given the totality of the policies Trump > > has elaborated on, from nukes to torture to drones to ground troops, I'm > > not sure how anyone can see this as proof of any sort of "anti-imperialist" > > leanings. > > > > The Davis piece that I sent out goes into much greater depth about the > > policies that Trump has actually advocated for. He is as violent as they > > come. > > > > - Amith > > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
