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Your argument is unassailable…

I’m "pro-Stein,” not "pro-Trump"; but I am "anti-war" and "anti-Clinton."

And I’m Marxist the way Chomsky is (although I think he’s wrong about Clinton): 

"I think that the libertarian socialist concepts - and by that I mean a range 
of thinking that extends from left-wing Marxism through anarchism - are 
fundamentally correct and that they are the proper and natural extension of 
classical liberalism into the era of advanced industrial society.” ['Government 
in the Future,' 1970]

—CGE


> On Aug 31, 2016, at 10:37 PM, Mark Lause <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> You don't buy the standard repackaged Democratic horsecrap and you are 
> "pro-Trump."
> 
> What utter stupidity passes for Marxism!!!!
> 
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:33 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Marxism 
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

> I assume you mean Glen Ford’s piece on Black Agenda Report, which I suggest 
> people read for themselves:
> 
> <http://www.blackagendareport.com/trump_anti-empire 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blackagendareport.com_trump-5Fanti-2Dempire&d=CwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=xxOBNNgZYr_FZzj8fVpGqSgEe0zshO0se5zQXt2eEqk&s=dwvyqjDVT6bYTeX0YQo_7uOaGqP0mxLeQNJLIgh9zDU&e=>
>  <http://www.blackagendareport.com/trump_anti-empire 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blackagendareport.com_trump-5Fanti-2Dempire&d=CwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=xxOBNNgZYr_FZzj8fVpGqSgEe0zshO0se5zQXt2eEqk&s=dwvyqjDVT6bYTeX0YQo_7uOaGqP0mxLeQNJLIgh9zDU&e=>>>.
> 
> An appropriate companion piece is 
> <https://consortiumnews.com/2016/06/20/trump-as-the-relative-peace-candidate/ 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__consortiumnews.com_2016_06_20_trump-2Das-2Dthe-2Drelative-2Dpeace-2Dcandidate_&d=CwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=xxOBNNgZYr_FZzj8fVpGqSgEe0zshO0se5zQXt2eEqk&s=VQomarC4o_Hv4Tzo-A4kUiJlfaH5Zlu12C6M1X4o890&e=>
>  
> <https://consortiumnews.com/2016/06/20/trump-as-the-relative-peace-candidate/ 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__consortiumnews.com_2016_06_20_trump-2Das-2Dthe-2Drelative-2Dpeace-2Dcandidate_&d=CwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=xxOBNNgZYr_FZzj8fVpGqSgEe0zshO0se5zQXt2eEqk&s=VQomarC4o_Hv4Tzo-A4kUiJlfaH5Zlu12C6M1X4o890&e=>>>.
> 
> —CGE
> 
> 
> > On Aug 31, 2016, at 9:11 PM, A.R. G <[email protected] 
> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> >
> > Carl,
> >
> > The piece you cited does not make a whole lot of sense. The first argument 
> > is his position on military bases. Outside of this being an incomparably 
> > small token of "isolationism" alongside threats to nuke people, send in 
> > ground troops, drones, and his use of torture, all he said was that he 
> > would reverse the arrangement such that those countries would be expected 
> > to pay the United States, rather than vice versa. He has taken a similar 
> > line with NATO. The second argument is that he does not accept the 
> > "rhetoric" of nation-building and so on; but even president-elect George W. 
> > Bush rejected such rationales during the 2000 election. This only means he 
> > is not as interested in sugar-coating such policies with the rhetoric of 
> > democracy and universalism. The last line was his "neutrality" rhetoric 
> > about Palestine. Even assuming we give that any credibility (one might note 
> > that even at the time, Trump combined his statements about "neutrality" 
> > with his affirmation that he was pro-Israel, meaning that he simply 
> > re-defined "neutral" to mean support for Israel), it has long since been 
> > surpassed by his adamant and aggressive support for Israel.
> >
> > It is an incredibly weak piece. The only part of it that even remotely 
> > speaks to what is "anti-empire" about Trump's policies is the isolationist 
> > rhetoric about US bases in Asia. Given the totality of the policies Trump 
> > has elaborated on, from nukes to torture to drones to ground troops, I'm 
> > not sure how anyone can see this as proof of any sort of "anti-imperialist" 
> > leanings.
> >
> > The Davis piece that I sent out goes into much greater depth about the 
> > policies that Trump has actually advocated for. He is as violent as they 
> > come.
> >
> > - Amith
> >
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