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You don't buy the standard repackaged Democratic horsecrap and you are "pro-Trump." What utter stupidity passes for Marxism!!!! On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:33 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Marxism < [email protected]> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > I assume you mean Glen Ford’s piece on Black Agenda Report, which I > suggest people read for themselves: > > <http://www.blackagendareport.com/trump_anti-empire < > http://www.blackagendareport.com/trump_anti-empire>>. > > An appropriate companion piece is <https://consortiumnews.com/ > 2016/06/20/trump-as-the-relative-peace-candidate/ < > https://consortiumnews.com/2016/06/20/trump-as-the- > relative-peace-candidate/>>. > > —CGE > > > > On Aug 31, 2016, at 9:11 PM, A.R. G <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Carl, > > > > The piece you cited does not make a whole lot of sense. The first > argument is his position on military bases. Outside of this being an > incomparably small token of "isolationism" alongside threats to nuke > people, send in ground troops, drones, and his use of torture, all he said > was that he would reverse the arrangement such that those countries would > be expected to pay the United States, rather than vice versa. He has taken > a similar line with NATO. The second argument is that he does not accept > the "rhetoric" of nation-building and so on; but even president-elect > George W. Bush rejected such rationales during the 2000 election. This only > means he is not as interested in sugar-coating such policies with the > rhetoric of democracy and universalism. The last line was his "neutrality" > rhetoric about Palestine. Even assuming we give that any credibility (one > might note that even at the time, Trump combined his statements about > "neutrality" with his affirmation that he was pro-Israel, meaning that he > simply re-defined "neutral" to mean support for Israel), it has long since > been surpassed by his adamant and aggressive support for Israel. > > > > It is an incredibly weak piece. The only part of it that even remotely > speaks to what is "anti-empire" about Trump's policies is the isolationist > rhetoric about US bases in Asia. Given the totality of the policies Trump > has elaborated on, from nukes to torture to drones to ground troops, I'm > not sure how anyone can see this as proof of any sort of "anti-imperialist" > leanings. > > > > The Davis piece that I sent out goes into much greater depth about the > policies that Trump has actually advocated for. He is as violent as they > come. > > > > - Amith > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/ > options/marxism/markalause%40gmail.com > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
