The Gary/Jabba problem can be divided into three parts; retail business matters, other business matters, and social.

RETAIL BUSINESS: Gary seems to have a good track record in selling parts to list members. I would buy parts from him.

OTHER BUSINESS:  Gary does not have a good track record.

SOCIAL: Gary comes from NYC where his "strong" personality is either overlooked or acceptable. However, it grates on the sensibilities of many list members from other parts of the country and from foreign countries.

If Gary should seek to rejoin this list which is both social and DIY, then the list owner should institute an iron-clad rule: "no personal attacks", and let him rejoin IMO.

My 2 cents,
Gerry

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From: "Jaime Kopchinski" <jaime...@gmail.com>
I can understand your desire for more proof Hendrick.  But this is a pretty
ugly road to go down and certainly doesn't belong here.

What happened in the past is the past.  Its was ugly.  It created a lot of
bad feelings.  It was bad for business, bad for our community, and bad for
many individuals.  None of us will know all the sides of the story and the
details of what happened.  And many of you wouldn't want to hear it.  And
boy how things have changed since then.

My point is simple:  don't believe everything that you've been told from
one side. You don't believe everything from the extreme right or left talk
radio, do you? (hint: you shouldn't)

Looks like we have more pro-gary folks than anti-gary at this point.  The
anti-gary folks are holding on to a one-sided story In the end and some
hurt feelings about being called some names  Doesn't everyone just want a
reliable source of good parts?  The pro-gary folks are enjoying good
service, good parts, and good knowledge.  Sounds like the kind of guy who
should be part of this group, no?

I understand the loyalty to Rusty in the past.  He did a lot for many of
us, hosted parties, helped establish the sense of community we have here
(or, whats left of it now).  Now Rusty is no longer here for us in that
role due to a business decision that we can all understand.  It was the
right time to move on.  The need for loyalty has past.  In fact, shouldn't
someone be questioning how it is that Rusty came to make a deal with Trent
at all?

I know if I were selling a business, I'd be looking for an agreement that
protected my interests.  And the buyer should do the same.  Check the
books, reputation, relationships, etc.

Something doesn't add to up to me.  I've seen several mentions of Trent
selling for amazingly low prices... genuine parts for more than 40% off of
list.  (which isn't possible, unless you happen to own a Mercedes Benz
Sounded too good to be true.

Jaime



On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:44 AM, Hendrik and Fay <heni...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well Trent may be acting illegally and he may be a less than honest
business man, based on what I have read from others experiences.
However does this give give Gary the right to accuse him of an planned
scheme to steal and also imply that Rusty has had a part in that?
That's what a supposed honest businessman has done, accusing someone of
improper and or illegal dealings without proof. Is this slander?

The fact is that I stand to gain nothing from this whereas it is in Garys
interest to discredit his opposition, whether he has proof or just heard a
few stories does not seem to matter.
Are these the actions of a professional and supposed good man?
Sure Gary might be good at what he does, heck he even himself says so, so
it must be true. Perhaps that is a cultural difference but up here if you
start going on about how good you are people will think you're a bit of a
wally.
I know a few people who will happily spend a few hours telling you how
good they are and that makes for fascinating conversation.

I don't know the details of the divorce but I do know it spilt over into
this list and it turned pretty ugly. And no I can't understand his actions,
what did this list have to do with the split?
If I was in his shoes and wanted to sell car parts to owners I would not
be abusing my customers, instead be dealing with the situation privately,
basically I think he threw a big tantrum in public, sure it might not have
been the best part of his life but sometimes you just got walk away and
cool off for a while.

The question here is not who started the list or what have you not, the
point here is that Gary is not a good man, he is bitter individual who is
hell bent on revenge.
Of course sure I am making a terrible mistake and Gary is the good guy
wanting to warn people about the evils of dealing with other parts vendors. Yeah right, this is the moment he has been hoping would come along and now
he is making the most of it, if he was such a good guy why would he say:

"i founded buymbparts 15 years ago and have watched it get more and more
viciously crooked till it has reached the point where it is at now. even
though i've had nothing to do with this company for many years now, these
are sad days for me. i feel sort of like a parent whose child has run away
from home and now i see him on the nightly news evolved into a hardened
criminal"

Now that is strong stuff, he does not seem to care about destroying
someone else or their livelihood (including the reputation of Rusty
Cullens). What proof does he have of these "viciously crooked" things? I
think the only thing he has is his believe that Rusty did the dirty on him, which we where all supposed to agree with and when some didn't he turned on
us in a heart beat but no I got that wrong, Gary is a good guy and we are
all vicious crooks evolving into hardened criminals.

If Gary is a good man he should have thought a lot harder about what he
writes in public and how he treats people, especially those he has issues
with.
And I do not follow your logic, we should not have kicked Gary even though
he was happy enough to kick back and now that it is his turn to do some
kicking, he certainly wasted no time putting on the pointy boots.
I see what he wrote on MBworld as a major kicking, perhaps Trent deserves
it but my view is that a few kicks where aimed at Rusty as well, who is
feeling very bad right now but no that's right Gary is the golden child and
Rusty is the mean one.

Anyway we are all entitled to our view of the world, you reckon he is a
good bloke who got done over, I reckon he has a mean streak that comes out
now and then to play.
What everyone else thinks is up to them but I do remember we gave him a
fair chance on here to calm down and play nice but that did not happen.

Basically that is what I see, you're welcome to prove me wrong and tell us exactly what makes Gary such a good man, I don't see it right now but I do
not have closed mind either.

Hendrik
who would love to say that Gary is a good bloke but needs more proof of
this and no the ability to organise shipment of parts from A to B does not
constitute good guy status


On 19/06/13 12:25, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

I find it very difficult to not respond to your comments Hendrik, as they
are quite strong.

Just a few basics:
  - I think we can all agree that Trent has taken several people's money
and
not delivered anything.  Its been going on long enough for him to try to
make this right. I can't imagine any excuse that would clear this at this
point, as nice as that would be.  And I can't imagine anyone here would
disagree with this.  I think its safe to say it:  hes a crook.
- I believe Gary is the best in the business.  I buy a lot of parts and
I've tried a lot of places.  Hes the only one that actually cares about
what he sells and delivers as promised.
- Gary has had his lively hood destroyed by a messy "divorce".  While he
acted in a way that offended many, I can understand his actions.  Put
yourself in his shoes.
- I'm certainly not looking to start a debate about who did what and who
started what, but consider this: Rusty, Gary, and Richard together played
a significant role in creating this community and creating a successful
online parts business.  Anyone who knows the three for a long time would
agree:  None of them could have accomplished anything without the each
other.

I find the endless flow of destructive words by many of you against Gary
to
be sickening.  All of you who are guilty of this should be ashamed of
yourself. You continued to kick a man who was already down. You believe
one sided stories that don't completely add up.

Everyone needs to stop and really think about whats going on here. You're
making a terrible mistake.

And Hendrick: its a shame you're so vocal about something which you hold little or no stake in. I hope you sleep well tonight, thinking about the
effects of your comments on the livelihood of a good man.

Completely disgusted,
Jaime





On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Hendrik and Fay <heni...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Perhaps but the point I was making is that Jabba might be trying to look
all professional and such but a pro doesn't accuse others of illegal
activities unless there is some sort of proof.
Basically he has accused Trent of being a crook based on a few complaints
on internet forums, plus also put a pretty big slur on Rusty.
My way of thinking is that I would not want to deal with such a
character,
even if he had the best price and service, or even offered free shipping
to
Oz.
Perhaps when Okiebenzparts.com gets up and going that great guy and good
friend Kaleb will do me great deal on a new muffler.

Hendrik
who only slurs after a few beers


On 19/06/13 10:25, Michael Canfield wrote:

 Can't be sued for slander if you are speaking the facts as they are.
  Seems
Jabba the Hursty might be right on the money this time.

Mike


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