The art of threadding is still to be discovered, Slip. :-)
On 10 Jan., 23:59, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> .............would have come closer to my mind.
> But your mind is one of a kind and maybe you need to unwind your one
> of a kind mind, unless you find you are in a bind.
>
> On Jan 10, 1:23 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Strange that you two link Fortuna to Vam's anger outcome. Minerva/
> > Athena's overall doings would have come closer to my mind.
>
> > On 10 Jan., 16:08, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I think what Vam is saying is that an expression of anger can be a
> > > useful tool in establishing distance and removing unwanted behavior of
> > > others from your immediate experience. << Molly
>
> > > I could eat a lot of garlic and breathe on people to accomplish that
> > > without having to resort to a anger facade. Perhaps anger can be a
> > > useful tool for specific outcomes but it ranks low on the list of
> > > options. There is always the option of retreat in the face of
> > > adversity. As you say, when all else fails. Unfortunately for some,
> > > anger is the first option.
>
> > > On Jan 10, 8:06 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > I have found that not everyone responds to love. Unfortunately. I
> > > > think what Vam is saying is that an expression of anger can be a
> > > > useful tool in establishing distance and removing unwanted behavior of
> > > > others from your immediate experience. I will admit, when all else
> > > > fails, I will resort to an angry response and am amazed at how it gets
> > > > the job done. I do, always, as Slip says, regret that an expression
> > > > of love was not able to resolve the issue. I always feel better that
> > > > way. These angry responses usually have other long term consequences,
> > > > as anger is always a barrier to communication and relationship.
>
> > > > But this choosing anger as a response when loving means have failed is
> > > > quite different than angry reactions. There is also the danger of
> > > > overusing the angry response because it is expedient, and not
> > > > exploring other options. If you can't be bothered with giving
> > > > anything other than an angry response, you are actually having an
> > > > angry reaction, and are probably developing that addiction to anger.
>
> > > > All that being said, I also think that somewhere along the line, we
> > > > need to completely feel our angry voice and know that we are free to
> > > > express it, before we can choose to not express it and give the loving
> > > > response. This paradoxical process keeps us from acruing shadow, and
> > > > repressing those parts of ourselves that may be deemed inappropriate,
> > > > just because of the fear of not being appropriate (whatever that is.)
> > > > Like the warrior, who knows he can deal the fatal blow, but chooses
> > > > not to - we all have peaceful warriors within us that we need to fully
> > > > own. To do this, we must first know the warrior.
>
> > > > On Jan 10, 6:53 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Yet but another riddle. I concede my riddle proficiency is lacking.
> > > > > Perhaps you can expand, but then again riddles usually fall apart when
> > > > > expanded and no longer qualify as one. How exactly does anger keep
> > > > > someone from blowing cigarette smoke in the face of a woman and child
> > > > > on the street? I find love more fruitful than anger and I'm sure that
> > > > > love can as well keep someone from blowing cigarette smoke in my face,
> > > > > so I would opt to resort to love over anger which is a detriment to my
> > > > > well being.
>
> > > > > On Jan 9, 10:15 pm, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > No, SD, it isn't just that. Anger can be fruitful. It saves the
> > > > > > woman
> > > > > > and the child in the street, or yourself from someone blowing
> > > > > > cigarette smoke in your face !
>
> > > > > > On Jan 9, 10:02 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Slip is, of course, right and wrong at the same time
> > > > > > > about the fruitlessness of anger - other posts show he is well
> > > > > > > aware
> > > > > > > of this. There is always the return of desire and no doubt this
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > be less important if we were really more tolerant. <<archy
>
> > > > > > > For the wrong part I'm assuming you mean for those individuals who
> > > > > > > derive a great sense of accomplishment from their actions based on
> > > > > > > their anger in which case it is assumed that their anger was
> > > > > > > fruitful. Considering the ramifications of their anger beyond
> > > > > > > that of
> > > > > > > their own personal life, I would still contend that it was not
> > > > > > > fruitful as others had to suffer the consequences of their anger.
> > > > > > > ie;
> > > > > > > suicide bomber.
> > > > > > > There must be a differentiating line between individual and group
> > > > > > > perspective concerning anger.
>
> > > > > > > On Jan 9, 4:49 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > I came across an old tome whilst preparing to decorate a
> > > > > > > > bedroom.
> > > > > > > > (Leemings, Joseph (1953) Riddles, Riddles, Riddles, New York:
> > > > > > > > Franklin
> > > > > > > > Watts, Inc.)
>
> > > > > > > > What does a man love more than life?
> > > > > > > > Hate more than death or mortal strife?
> > > > > > > > That which contented men desire,
> > > > > > > > The poor have, the rich require,
> > > > > > > > The miser spends, the spendthrift saves,
> > > > > > > > And all men carry to their graves?
> > > > > > > > (Leemings, 1953, 201)
>
> > > > > > > > The answer, Nothing, can only be seen through a kaleidoscope of
> > > > > > > > equivocations.
>
> > > > > > > > There was a time when I thought anger and the kind of message
> > > > > > > > the poem
> > > > > > > > can give were to be avoided because they would lead to
> > > > > > > > bamboozlement -
> > > > > > > > now I think feelings and riddles can help us avoid the worst of
> > > > > > > > cold
> > > > > > > > rhetoric and what that hides. Of course, anger (and other
> > > > > > > > emotions)
> > > > > > > > in the hands of violent idiots and so on, or the spin doctor,
> > > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > > > the answer. Slip is, of course, right and wrong at the same
> > > > > > > > time
> > > > > > > > about the fruitlessness of anger - other posts show he is well
> > > > > > > > aware
> > > > > > > > of this. There is always the return of desire and no doubt
> > > > > > > > this would
> > > > > > > > be less important if we were really more tolerant.
>
> > > > > > > > On 8 Jan, 16:46, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > I find that much anger is a first reaction to a negative
> > > > > > > > > action,
> > > > > > > > > whether self induced or externally sourced. We can make a
> > > > > > > > > wrong
> > > > > > > > > decision that results in a negative outcome which displeases
> > > > > > > > > us to the
> > > > > > > > > point of anger or someone else can do something to bring
> > > > > > > > > about the
> > > > > > > > > anger. Either way there is a point where the anger can be
> > > > > > > > > identified
> > > > > > > > > and controlled before it actually takes place. It is at this
> > > > > > > > > point
> > > > > > > > > that we can cancel the outward expression of the anger and
> > > > > > > > > accept the
> > > > > > > > > cause, while at the same time making mental note of it. This
> > > > > > > > > is when
> > > > > > > > > others notice and may state, "I thought you would blow your
> > > > > > > > > top about
> > > > > > > > > it, what happened". The anger was pre-diagnosed and
> > > > > > > > > canceled.
> > > > > > > > > It is very rare that someone will act out in anger when the
> > > > > > > > > anger has
> > > > > > > > > been pre-diagnosed, ie; "If he does that I'm going to get
> > > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > mad". In this case the recipient of the negative action has
> > > > > > > > > identified, classified, and is dealing with the anger before
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > actually takes place. When the action actually takes place the
> > > > > > > > > recipient confirms it but no longer has to act out the anger
> > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > it was already subconsciously acted on and there is no longer
> > > > > > > > > need to
> > > > > > > > > react to it. This of course is confined to future
> > > > > > > > > anticipatory angers
> > > > > > > > > which are the easiest to deal with.
> > > > > > > > > Anger that involves past history is not easily disposed of
> > > > > > > > > because it
> > > > > > > > > was remains unresolved in the subconscious. These
> > > > > > > > > subconscious past
> > > > > > > > > history angers need to be processed. My personally means of
> > > > > > > > > process as
> > > > > > > > > I stated above involves the use of a camera film which becomes
> > > > > > > > > analogous with the life experience. I look at the batch of
> > > > > > > > > photos,
> > > > > > > > > put them in the shoe box and put it away on a shelf in the
> > > > > > > > > garage.
> > > > > > > > > Gone are the memories, gone are the angers. A first reaction
> > > > > > > > > may be
> > > > > > > > > anger but later it can be humorous. We must realize the
> > > > > > > > > fruitlessness
> > > > > > > > > of anger and it's detrimental consequence.
> > > > > > > > > Another method I use is the verbal repetition of the negative
> > > > > > > > > action.
> > > > > > > > > ie; Friend tells you "Bob took the keys to your car a smash
> > > > > > > > > it into a
> > > > > > > > > pole", at which time you sit down and repeat several times "
> > > > > > > > > Bob took
> > > > > > > > > the keys to my car and smashed it into a pole". Repeating
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > several times delays the reaction time and allows one to
> > > > > > > > > create a
> > > > > > > > > visual picture of the incident which then becomes part of the
> > > > > > > > > "processing". There is nothing you can do to change the
> > > > > > > > > picture,
> > > > > > > > > ranting, raving and chopping off your finger won't help, so
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > leaves continuing the process and letting the action complete
> > > > > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > > cycle. Bob get's arrested, your car get's towed off, and the
> > > > > > > > > insurance company picks up the tab. Eliminating the anger
> > > > > > > > > makes for a
> > > > > > > > > better experience. It is not as easy as it sounds and
> > > > > > > > > requires
> > > > > > > > > practice with many levels and degrees of anger, however,
> > > > > > > > > starting off
> > > > > > > > > small can make a difference. Next time you burn something in
> > > > > > > > > the oven
> > > > > > > > > try laughing about it instead of blowing your top.
>
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>
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