No, SD, it isn't just that. Anger can be fruitful. It saves the woman and the child in the street, or yourself from someone blowing cigarette smoke in your face !
On Jan 9, 10:02 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Slip is, of course, right and wrong at the same time > about the fruitlessness of anger - other posts show he is well aware > of this. There is always the return of desire and no doubt this would > be less important if we were really more tolerant. <<archy > > For the wrong part I'm assuming you mean for those individuals who > derive a great sense of accomplishment from their actions based on > their anger in which case it is assumed that their anger was > fruitful. Considering the ramifications of their anger beyond that of > their own personal life, I would still contend that it was not > fruitful as others had to suffer the consequences of their anger. ie; > suicide bomber. > There must be a differentiating line between individual and group > perspective concerning anger. > > On Jan 9, 4:49 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I came across an old tome whilst preparing to decorate a bedroom. > > (Leemings, Joseph (1953) Riddles, Riddles, Riddles, New York: Franklin > > Watts, Inc.) > > > What does a man love more than life? > > Hate more than death or mortal strife? > > That which contented men desire, > > The poor have, the rich require, > > The miser spends, the spendthrift saves, > > And all men carry to their graves? > > (Leemings, 1953, 201) > > > The answer, Nothing, can only be seen through a kaleidoscope of > > equivocations. > > > There was a time when I thought anger and the kind of message the poem > > can give were to be avoided because they would lead to bamboozlement - > > now I think feelings and riddles can help us avoid the worst of cold > > rhetoric and what that hides. Of course, anger (and other emotions) > > in the hands of violent idiots and so on, or the spin doctor, are not > > the answer. Slip is, of course, right and wrong at the same time > > about the fruitlessness of anger - other posts show he is well aware > > of this. There is always the return of desire and no doubt this would > > be less important if we were really more tolerant. > > > On 8 Jan, 16:46, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I find that much anger is a first reaction to a negative action, > > > whether self induced or externally sourced. We can make a wrong > > > decision that results in a negative outcome which displeases us to the > > > point of anger or someone else can do something to bring about the > > > anger. Either way there is a point where the anger can be identified > > > and controlled before it actually takes place. It is at this point > > > that we can cancel the outward expression of the anger and accept the > > > cause, while at the same time making mental note of it. This is when > > > others notice and may state, "I thought you would blow your top about > > > it, what happened". The anger was pre-diagnosed and canceled. > > > It is very rare that someone will act out in anger when the anger has > > > been pre-diagnosed, ie; "If he does that I'm going to get really > > > mad". In this case the recipient of the negative action has > > > identified, classified, and is dealing with the anger before it > > > actually takes place. When the action actually takes place the > > > recipient confirms it but no longer has to act out the anger because > > > it was already subconsciously acted on and there is no longer need to > > > react to it. This of course is confined to future anticipatory angers > > > which are the easiest to deal with. > > > Anger that involves past history is not easily disposed of because it > > > was remains unresolved in the subconscious. These subconscious past > > > history angers need to be processed. My personally means of process as > > > I stated above involves the use of a camera film which becomes > > > analogous with the life experience. I look at the batch of photos, > > > put them in the shoe box and put it away on a shelf in the garage. > > > Gone are the memories, gone are the angers. A first reaction may be > > > anger but later it can be humorous. We must realize the fruitlessness > > > of anger and it's detrimental consequence. > > > Another method I use is the verbal repetition of the negative action. > > > ie; Friend tells you "Bob took the keys to your car a smash it into a > > > pole", at which time you sit down and repeat several times " Bob took > > > the keys to my car and smashed it into a pole". Repeating this > > > several times delays the reaction time and allows one to create a > > > visual picture of the incident which then becomes part of the > > > "processing". There is nothing you can do to change the picture, > > > ranting, raving and chopping off your finger won't help, so that > > > leaves continuing the process and letting the action complete it's > > > cycle. Bob get's arrested, your car get's towed off, and the > > > insurance company picks up the tab. Eliminating the anger makes for a > > > better experience. It is not as easy as it sounds and requires > > > practice with many levels and degrees of anger, however, starting off > > > small can make a difference. Next time you burn something in the oven > > > try laughing about it instead of blowing your top. > > > > On Jan 8, 3:33 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I'm a bit inclined to think we should be angry with the way of the > > > > world. This is a complex matter though, as one of the tricks of > > > > establishments is about making us angry so that we make fools of > > > > ourselves or at least can be made so in their traps. The time to do > > > > what Molly points out directly above is often denied us. > > > > > On 7 Jan, 18:13, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Anger is hard to nail down because it is really a secondary emotion, > > > > > often attached to insecurity, defensiveness, defiance, etc. It can be > > > > > addictive too, as rage-aholics are all too common. Addictive, because > > > > > it can be (paradoxically) a more comfortable and predictable emotion > > > > > than say joy, that might require intimacy and sharing in relationship, > > > > > behaviors that can be scary to someone feeling insecure or defiant. > > > > > Anger creates distance between us and the world, and often moves from > > > > > being a natural signal for us to examine a situation, to the reaction > > > > > of choice because, after all, it is always effective in creating that > > > > > distance. If we fancy ourselves a victim of villain (or even hero) > > > > > anger is a useful weapon to create this drama. > > > > > > Each of us is charged with examining our emotional make us and > > > > > choosing our responses to the world. An important part of self image > > > > > to be sure, and only we can do it. > > > > > > On Jan 6, 8:57 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Anger takes on many shades, gruff, and degrees of intensity as well. > > > > > > In that respect I try to identify the anger, classify the anger and > > > > > > then have a better chance of resolving it. Angers involving the > > > > > > past > > > > > > are the easiest for me to deal with because I view life as being a > > > > > > roll of film with every moment of life being a new frame. It is > > > > > > easily > > > > > > perceived that I don't want to take pictures of the same subject > > > > > > matter as that would simply be wasting film. Therefore the past > > > > > > experience which used up a large portion of the film is no longer > > > > > > viable as a new experience and should be archived. What others did > > > > > > in > > > > > > the past that negatively affected my life no longer pertains to my > > > > > > life since I had become that individual person that creates the > > > > > > future. To think that if (A) didn't happen then I wouldn't be > > > > > > living > > > > > > (B) is wasteful energy because no one really knows what is going to > > > > > > happen in life. For some people when (A) did happen it ultimately > > > > > > cost them their lives. Perhaps we, through certain events in life, > > > > > > are saved from undergoing something worse than the present condition > > > > > > that we perceive undesirable as a result of (A). Through this > > > > > > reasoning I am able to simply dismiss the experience as just that, > > > > > > an > > > > > > experience, one which I cannot change but can look at as having some > > > > > > value. It is like the 1990 movie, Mr. Destiny, check it out if you > > > > > > can. > > > > > > Anger of course is a subject that requires more examination and I > > > > > > don't mean to trivialize it in any way. I just want to at least > > > > > > scratch the surface of how I view anger and how I deal with it, > > > > > > which > > > > > > in a sense coincides with how I deal with many other things, through > > > > > > logical reasoning. Anger serves no purpose in my life and > > > > > > accomplishes nothing, so naturally I want to do away with it. > > > > > > > On Jan 6, 10:34 am, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > "... On Jan 2, 9:04 am, Molly > > > > > > > Brogan<[email protected]> wrote: ..." > > > > > > > > and Slip Disc too ... > > > > > > > > > Why worry about what others think, do, say? Why feel the need > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > conform to trends, ideologies, etc.? If I think instead about > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > relationship to them, (how do they serve my day to day life, > > > > > > > > when I am > > > > > > > > in service to them am I feeling my highest potential, in what > > > > > > > > ways do > > > > > > > > I benefit and contribute, what do they show me about myself, > > > > > > > > can I > > > > > > > > feel the love?) I can let go of what is limited and > > > > > > > > unchangeable. I > > > > > > > > think most of all, Gruff, about you, and how the world has let > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > down. Your relationship to all that is so much more important > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > anything that was said and done. You are MORE than any of > > > > > > > > that...and > > > > > > > > there can be a relationship that includes forgiveness, > > > > > > > > compassion and > > > > > > > > self determination. 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