All my work in the field of textiles is thus dashed Gabby, though I was never a thread man, more concerned with yarns. One is too often, in this world, left in a state of dumb anger - rather like dumb insolence in the former Royal Navy, the government is making this an offence.
On 11 Jan, 19:21, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > The art of threadding is still to be discovered, Slip. :-) > > On 10 Jan., 23:59, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > .............would have come closer to my mind. > > But your mind is one of a kind and maybe you need to unwind your one > > of a kind mind, unless you find you are in a bind. > > > On Jan 10, 1:23 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Strange that you two link Fortuna to Vam's anger outcome. Minerva/ > > > Athena's overall doings would have come closer to my mind. > > > > On 10 Jan., 16:08, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I think what Vam is saying is that an expression of anger can be a > > > > useful tool in establishing distance and removing unwanted behavior of > > > > others from your immediate experience. << Molly > > > > > I could eat a lot of garlic and breathe on people to accomplish that > > > > without having to resort to a anger facade. Perhaps anger can be a > > > > useful tool for specific outcomes but it ranks low on the list of > > > > options. There is always the option of retreat in the face of > > > > adversity. As you say, when all else fails. Unfortunately for some, > > > > anger is the first option. > > > > > On Jan 10, 8:06 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > I have found that not everyone responds to love. Unfortunately. I > > > > > think what Vam is saying is that an expression of anger can be a > > > > > useful tool in establishing distance and removing unwanted behavior of > > > > > others from your immediate experience. I will admit, when all else > > > > > fails, I will resort to an angry response and am amazed at how it gets > > > > > the job done. I do, always, as Slip says, regret that an expression > > > > > of love was not able to resolve the issue. I always feel better that > > > > > way. These angry responses usually have other long term consequences, > > > > > as anger is always a barrier to communication and relationship. > > > > > > But this choosing anger as a response when loving means have failed is > > > > > quite different than angry reactions. There is also the danger of > > > > > overusing the angry response because it is expedient, and not > > > > > exploring other options. If you can't be bothered with giving > > > > > anything other than an angry response, you are actually having an > > > > > angry reaction, and are probably developing that addiction to anger. > > > > > > All that being said, I also think that somewhere along the line, we > > > > > need to completely feel our angry voice and know that we are free to > > > > > express it, before we can choose to not express it and give the loving > > > > > response. This paradoxical process keeps us from acruing shadow, and > > > > > repressing those parts of ourselves that may be deemed inappropriate, > > > > > just because of the fear of not being appropriate (whatever that is.) > > > > > Like the warrior, who knows he can deal the fatal blow, but chooses > > > > > not to - we all have peaceful warriors within us that we need to fully > > > > > own. To do this, we must first know the warrior. > > > > > > On Jan 10, 6:53 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Yet but another riddle. I concede my riddle proficiency is lacking. > > > > > > Perhaps you can expand, but then again riddles usually fall apart > > > > > > when > > > > > > expanded and no longer qualify as one. How exactly does anger keep > > > > > > someone from blowing cigarette smoke in the face of a woman and > > > > > > child > > > > > > on the street? I find love more fruitful than anger and I'm sure > > > > > > that > > > > > > love can as well keep someone from blowing cigarette smoke in my > > > > > > face, > > > > > > so I would opt to resort to love over anger which is a detriment to > > > > > > my > > > > > > well being. > > > > > > > On Jan 9, 10:15 pm, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > No, SD, it isn't just that. Anger can be fruitful. It saves the > > > > > > > woman > > > > > > > and the child in the street, or yourself from someone blowing > > > > > > > cigarette smoke in your face ! > > > > > > > > On Jan 9, 10:02 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Slip is, of course, right and wrong at the same time > > > > > > > > about the fruitlessness of anger - other posts show he is well > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > of this. There is always the return of desire and no doubt > > > > > > > > this would > > > > > > > > be less important if we were really more tolerant. <<archy > > > > > > > > > For the wrong part I'm assuming you mean for those individuals > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > derive a great sense of accomplishment from their actions based > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > their anger in which case it is assumed that their anger was > > > > > > > > fruitful. Considering the ramifications of their anger beyond > > > > > > > > that of > > > > > > > > their own personal life, I would still contend that it was not > > > > > > > > fruitful as others had to suffer the consequences of their > > > > > > > > anger. ie; > > > > > > > > suicide bomber. > > > > > > > > There must be a differentiating line between individual and > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > perspective concerning anger. > > > > > > > > > On Jan 9, 4:49 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I came across an old tome whilst preparing to decorate a > > > > > > > > > bedroom. > > > > > > > > > (Leemings, Joseph (1953) Riddles, Riddles, Riddles, New York: > > > > > > > > > Franklin > > > > > > > > > Watts, Inc.) > > > > > > > > > > What does a man love more than life? > > > > > > > > > Hate more than death or mortal strife? > > > > > > > > > That which contented men desire, > > > > > > > > > The poor have, the rich require, > > > > > > > > > The miser spends, the spendthrift saves, > > > > > > > > > And all men carry to their graves? > > > > > > > > > (Leemings, 1953, 201) > > > > > > > > > > The answer, Nothing, can only be seen through a kaleidoscope > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > equivocations. > > > > > > > > > > There was a time when I thought anger and the kind of message > > > > > > > > > the poem > > > > > > > > > can give were to be avoided because they would lead to > > > > > > > > > bamboozlement - > > > > > > > > > now I think feelings and riddles can help us avoid the worst > > > > > > > > > of cold > > > > > > > > > rhetoric and what that hides. Of course, anger (and other > > > > > > > > > emotions) > > > > > > > > > in the hands of violent idiots and so on, or the spin doctor, > > > > > > > > > are not > > > > > > > > > the answer. Slip is, of course, right and wrong at the same > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > about the fruitlessness of anger - other posts show he is > > > > > > > > > well aware > > > > > > > > > of this. There is always the return of desire and no doubt > > > > > > > > > this would > > > > > > > > > be less important if we were really more tolerant. > > > > > > > > > > On 8 Jan, 16:46, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I find that much anger is a first reaction to a negative > > > > > > > > > > action, > > > > > > > > > > whether self induced or externally sourced. We can make a > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > decision that results in a negative outcome which > > > > > > > > > > displeases us to the > > > > > > > > > > point of anger or someone else can do something to bring > > > > > > > > > > about the > > > > > > > > > > anger. Either way there is a point where the anger can be > > > > > > > > > > identified > > > > > > > > > > and controlled before it actually takes place. It is at > > > > > > > > > > this point > > > > > > > > > > that we can cancel the outward expression of the anger and > > > > > > > > > > accept the > > > > > > > > > > cause, while at the same time making mental note of it. > > > > > > > > > > This is when > > > > > > > > > > others notice and may state, "I thought you would blow your > > > > > > > > > > top about > > > > > > > > > > it, what happened". The anger was pre-diagnosed and > > > > > > > > > > canceled. > > > > > > > > > > It is very rare that someone will act out in anger when the > > > > > > > > > > anger has > > > > > > > > > > been pre-diagnosed, ie; "If he does that I'm going to get > > > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > mad". In this case the recipient of the negative action has > > > > > > > > > > identified, classified, and is dealing with the anger > > > > > > > > > > before it > > > > > > > > > > actually takes place. When the action actually takes place > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > recipient confirms it but no longer has to act out the > > > > > > > > > > anger because > > > > > > > > > > it was already subconsciously acted on and there is no > > > > > > > > > > longer need to > > > > > > > > > > react to it. This of course is confined to future > > > > > > > > > > anticipatory angers > > > > > > > > > > which are the easiest to deal with. > > > > > > > > > > Anger that involves past history is not easily disposed of > > > > > > > > > > because it > > > > > > > > > > was remains unresolved in the subconscious. These > > > > > > > > > > subconscious past > > > > > > > > > > history angers need to be processed. My personally means of > > > > > > > > > > process as > > > > > > > > > > I stated above involves the use of a camera film which > > > > > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > > > > analogous with the life experience. I look at the batch of > > > > > > > > > > photos, > > > > > > > > > > put them in the shoe box and put it away on a shelf in the > > > > > > > > > > garage. > > > > > > > > > > Gone are the memories, gone are the angers. A first > > > > > > > > > > reaction may be > > > > > > > > > > anger but later it can be humorous. We must realize the > > > > > > > > > > fruitlessness > > > > > > > > > > of anger and it's detrimental consequence. > > > > > > > > > > Another method I use is the verbal repetition of the > > > > > > > > > > negative action. > > > > > > > > > > ie; Friend tells you "Bob took the keys to your car a smash > > > > > > > > > > it into a > > > > > > > > > > pole", at which time you sit down and repeat several times > > > > > > > > > > " Bob took > > > > > > > > > > the keys to my car and smashed it into a pole". Repeating > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > several times delays the reaction time and allows one to > > > > > > > > > > create a > > > > > > > > > > visual picture of the incident which then becomes part of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > "processing". There is nothing you can do to change the > > > > > > > > > > picture, > > > > > > > > > > ranting, raving and chopping off your finger won't help, so > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > leaves continuing the process and letting the action > > > > > > > > > > complete it's > > > > > > > > > > cycle. Bob get's arrested, your car get's towed off, and > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > insurance company > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
