On 13 Jan, 12:55, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
> Heh and you really need to read each word and not just skim. Coz if
> you had you would have seen these words:
>
> 'The truth from my perspective is that I'm a wind up merchant.'
>
> Thats me thinking not the dog. The truth as far as I'm concered is
> that I first offer the dog a bone and then I take it away. The truth
> from the dogs perspective is that I first offer the dog a bone and
> then I take it away. Or are you trying to tell me that dog actualy
> has no knowledge of what actions I took, that the dog did not see, or
> smell the offered bone, nor witness the withdrawal of the bone, and
> the in fact the dog by dint of it not being human had no concept of me
> nor bone at all?
>
> Is the truth from my perspective not also the truth from the dogs?
>
There are relative truths that will differ. E.g., if you and the
dog face one another and both face 'left', your 'left' and the dog's
'left' will, in reality, point in opposite directions. The relative
truth is that they are both 'left' from the perspective of the
individual, but the absolute truth of 'which direction is being faced'
is clearly different. So, relative truths may differ but absolutes
cannot. Perhaps the dog questioned whether or not you actually
offered the bone or if you just showed the dog the bone. The
question, then, becomes, 'Can the dog infer that the bone WAS actually
offered and not just displayed?' And THAT is VERY debateable.
Personally, I'd say that dog's DO properly infer an implied offer, but
I also know that I can't PROVE that.
> Of course we can't know whether dogs have any concept of truth or
> deception, but the point is the truth is not the truth because of an
> ability to understand the word 'truth', it is true because it actualy
> happend.
>
> On 12 Jan, 23:26, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 12, 5:49 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Sorry Chaz I'm calling rubbish on this one.
>
> > > If I give my dog a bone and them take it away from him. The truth
> > > from my perspective is that I'm a wind up merchant. Are you saying
> > > that the dog has no perception of the truth here? Did he not witness
> > > me offer and then take back the bone?
>
> > Dog don't have truth because they don't use the word. Why would you
> > imagine that the dog cashes this stuff out in "terms" of truth? Who
> > knows what the dog thinks but one thing is for sure he does think "Lee
> > is a wind-up merchant".
> > You are talking rubbish.
>
> > > On 12 Jan, 15:53, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 11, 10:58 pm, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Let me break down what you are saying.
> > > > > Truth and God only exist in the human mind.
> > > > > Both Truth and God are concepts which are effected by evidence and
> > > > > reason.
>
> > > > > So if Truth is only in the human mind, then what are reason and
> > > > > evidence discovering? Are you defining truth as a value judgment
> > > > > about something "out there"? Or is truth the something "out there"
> > > > > that evidence and reason are trying to discover?
>
> > > > I am defining it as the former. Truth is meaningless out side human
> > > > perception.
> > > > Without us there is no truth as there is no human to conceive of it.
>
> > > > > On Jan 11, 10:50 am, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jan 10, 7:00 pm, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Are they so assured that God does not exist but truth does?
>
> > > > > > Neither truth nor god exist outside of the human mind. Both are
> > > > > > human
> > > > > > concepts which rise or fall against the tides of evidence and
> > > > > > reason.
> > > > > > The main difference is that god has lost the argument but truth can
> > > > > > still be found despite this simple fact.
>
> > > > > > > On Jan 10, 11:38 am, frantheman <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On 10 Jan., 19:30, Kierkecraig <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > wrote:> Where do Atheists find such passion?
>
> > > > > > > > In a love of truth ... and honesty?- Hide quoted text -
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