On 13 Jan, 17:45, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 13, 12:12 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > On 12 Jan, 23:26, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > On Jan 12, 5:49 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > Sorry Chaz I'm calling rubbish on this one.
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> > > > If I give my dog a bone and them take it away from him. The truth
> > > > from my perspective is that I'm a wind up merchant. Are you saying
> > > > that the dog has no perception of the truth here? Did he not witness
> > > > me offer and then take back the bone?
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> > > Dog don't have truth because they don't use the word. Why would you
> > > imagine that the dog cashes this stuff out in "terms" of truth? Who
> > > knows what the dog thinks but one thing is for sure he does think "Lee
> > > is a wind-up merchant".
> > > You are talking rubbish.
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> > Maybe, but when you KNOW you don't know what the dog thinks, and
> > THEN you state 'one thing for sure is...' you're just speculating.
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> There is not one jot of speculation above.
Rather, it is one big jot of speculation.
>I don't know what a dog
> think but I do not he doesn't have ideas of truth and falsity.
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Repeating your speculation, even garbled, won't change the
speculation. If you don't know what the dog thinks, which you seem
happy to admit, you do NOT, then, know what thoughts the dog does NOT
have. PURE speculation!!
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> > > > On 12 Jan, 15:53, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > On Jan 11, 10:58 pm, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > Let me break down what you are saying.
> > > > > > Truth and God only exist in the human mind.
> > > > > > Both Truth and God are concepts which are effected by evidence and
> > > > > > reason.
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> > > > > > So if Truth is only in the human mind, then what are reason and
> > > > > > evidence discovering? Are you defining truth as a value judgment
> > > > > > about something "out there"? Or is truth the something "out there"
> > > > > > that evidence and reason are trying to discover?
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> > > > > I am defining it as the former. Truth is meaningless out side human
> > > > > perception.
> > > > > Without us there is no truth as there is no human to conceive of it.
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> > > > > > On Jan 11, 10:50 am, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > On Jan 10, 7:00 pm, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > Are they so assured that God does not exist but truth does?
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> > > > > > > Neither truth nor god exist outside of the human mind. Both are
> > > > > > > human
> > > > > > > concepts which rise or fall against the tides of evidence and
> > > > > > > reason.
> > > > > > > The main difference is that god has lost the argument but truth
> > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > still be found despite this simple fact.
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> > > > > > > > On Jan 10, 11:38 am, frantheman <[email protected]>
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> > > > > > > > > On 10 Jan., 19:30, Kierkecraig <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:> Where do Atheists find such passion?
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