On Jan 13, 12:55 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
> Heh and you really need to read each word and not just skim. Coz if
> you had you would have seen these words:
>
> 'The truth from my perspective is that I'm a wind up merchant.'
>
> Thats me thinking not the dog. The truth as far as I'm concered is
> that I first offer the dog a bone and then I take it away. The truth
> from the dogs perspective is that I first offer the dog a bone and
> then I take it away. Or are you trying to tell me that dog actualy
> has no knowledge of what actions I took, that the dog did not see, or
> smell the offered bone, nor witness the withdrawal of the bone, and
> the in fact the dog by dint of it not being human had no concept of me
> nor bone at all?
>
> Is the truth from my perspective not also the truth from the dogs?
>
> Of course we can't know whether dogs have any concept of truth or
> deception, but the point is the truth is not the truth because of an
> ability to understand the word 'truth', it is true because it actualy
> happend.
We can know that dog do not use words and cannot think in words.
>
> On 12 Jan, 23:26, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 12, 5:49 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Sorry Chaz I'm calling rubbish on this one.
>
> > > If I give my dog a bone and them take it away from him. The truth
> > > from my perspective is that I'm a wind up merchant. Are you saying
> > > that the dog has no perception of the truth here? Did he not witness
> > > me offer and then take back the bone?
>
> > Dog don't have truth because they don't use the word. Why would you
> > imagine that the dog cashes this stuff out in "terms" of truth? Who
> > knows what the dog thinks but one thing is for sure he does think "Lee
> > is a wind-up merchant".
> > You are talking rubbish.
>
> > > On 12 Jan, 15:53, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 11, 10:58 pm, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Let me break down what you are saying.
> > > > > Truth and God only exist in the human mind.
> > > > > Both Truth and God are concepts which are effected by evidence and
> > > > > reason.
>
> > > > > So if Truth is only in the human mind, then what are reason and
> > > > > evidence discovering? Are you defining truth as a value judgment
> > > > > about something "out there"? Or is truth the something "out there"
> > > > > that evidence and reason are trying to discover?
>
> > > > I am defining it as the former. Truth is meaningless out side human
> > > > perception.
> > > > Without us there is no truth as there is no human to conceive of it.
>
> > > > > On Jan 11, 10:50 am, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jan 10, 7:00 pm, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Are they so assured that God does not exist but truth does?
>
> > > > > > Neither truth nor god exist outside of the human mind. Both are
> > > > > > human
> > > > > > concepts which rise or fall against the tides of evidence and
> > > > > > reason.
> > > > > > The main difference is that god has lost the argument but truth can
> > > > > > still be found despite this simple fact.
>
> > > > > > > On Jan 10, 11:38 am, frantheman <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On 10 Jan., 19:30, Kierkecraig <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > wrote:> Where do Atheists find such passion?
>
> > > > > > > > In a love of truth ... and honesty?- Hide quoted text -
>
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