Indeed in all cases though it is clear that a perception of some truth or other is had by both human and dog.
On 13 Jan, 13:06, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 13 Jan, 12:55, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Heh and you really need to read each word and not just skim. Coz if > > you had you would have seen these words: > > > 'The truth from my perspective is that I'm a wind up merchant.' > > > Thats me thinking not the dog. The truth as far as I'm concered is > > that I first offer the dog a bone and then I take it away. The truth > > from the dogs perspective is that I first offer the dog a bone and > > then I take it away. Or are you trying to tell me that dog actualy > > has no knowledge of what actions I took, that the dog did not see, or > > smell the offered bone, nor witness the withdrawal of the bone, and > > the in fact the dog by dint of it not being human had no concept of me > > nor bone at all? > > > Is the truth from my perspective not also the truth from the dogs? > > There are relative truths that will differ. E.g., if you and the > dog face one another and both face 'left', your 'left' and the dog's > 'left' will, in reality, point in opposite directions. The relative > truth is that they are both 'left' from the perspective of the > individual, but the absolute truth of 'which direction is being faced' > is clearly different. So, relative truths may differ but absolutes > cannot. Perhaps the dog questioned whether or not you actually > offered the bone or if you just showed the dog the bone. The > question, then, becomes, 'Can the dog infer that the bone WAS actually > offered and not just displayed?' And THAT is VERY debateable. > Personally, I'd say that dog's DO properly infer an implied offer, but > I also know that I can't PROVE that. > > > > > Of course we can't know whether dogs have any concept of truth or > > deception, but the point is the truth is not the truth because of an > > ability to understand the word 'truth', it is true because it actualy > > happend. > > > On 12 Jan, 23:26, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Jan 12, 5:49 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Sorry Chaz I'm calling rubbish on this one. > > > > > If I give my dog a bone and them take it away from him. The truth > > > > from my perspective is that I'm a wind up merchant. Are you saying > > > > that the dog has no perception of the truth here? Did he not witness > > > > me offer and then take back the bone? > > > > Dog don't have truth because they don't use the word. Why would you > > > imagine that the dog cashes this stuff out in "terms" of truth? Who > > > knows what the dog thinks but one thing is for sure he does think "Lee > > > is a wind-up merchant". > > > You are talking rubbish. > > > > > On 12 Jan, 15:53, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 11, 10:58 pm, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Let me break down what you are saying. > > > > > > Truth and God only exist in the human mind. > > > > > > Both Truth and God are concepts which are effected by evidence and > > > > > > reason. > > > > > > > So if Truth is only in the human mind, then what are reason and > > > > > > evidence discovering? Are you defining truth as a value judgment > > > > > > about something "out there"? Or is truth the something "out there" > > > > > > that evidence and reason are trying to discover? > > > > > > I am defining it as the former. Truth is meaningless out side human > > > > > perception. > > > > > Without us there is no truth as there is no human to conceive of it. > > > > > > > On Jan 11, 10:50 am, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jan 10, 7:00 pm, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are they so assured that God does not exist but truth does? > > > > > > > > Neither truth nor god exist outside of the human mind. Both are > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > concepts which rise or fall against the tides of evidence and > > > > > > > reason. > > > > > > > The main difference is that god has lost the argument but truth > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > still be found despite this simple fact. > > > > > > > > > On Jan 10, 11:38 am, frantheman <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 10 Jan., 19:30, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> Where do Atheists find such passion? > > > > > > > > > > In a love of truth ... and honesty?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
