Indeed on shape Pat - dribbling old crock that I am, though before the Irish spur I was thinking of complex counting by savants. Tom much preferred stealing a cooling leg of lamb to his dry food, though always ate up like a starving survivor. His relationship with water and mud was exceptional and the cat is clearly upset at having to fight off intruders rather than just be able to point a claw in his direction.
On 14 Jan, 14:06, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Having had dozen of dogs over the years I can attest to the fact that > they do have a thinking process and sometimes I do know what they are > thinking. Example goes as such........I sometimes take left overs and > mix it in with the dog food, watching as they wolf it down. After a > few days of that when I fill their bowls with dry dog food they walk > over to the bowl, sniff briefly, walk away and give me that look. > "Not this crap again?" , another is the excitement they show upon my > getting ready to out and taking the leash in my hand. This triggers > their thoughts about going out for a ride. I currently have four dogs > and I see they play games with each other that without thought could > never take place, whether it's hide and chase or tug of war. Two of > them constantly take things and hide them from the others, this takes > time to find and evaluate the right place. > > Canine psychology, as with human psychology, is primarily related to > the study of the mind. In fact early experiments carried out by > notables in the field such as Freud and Pavlov were almost exclusively > carried out on animals as it was believed that the thought processes > of animal and man did not differ significantly except in their level > of complexity. < Lin Stockley Canine, Psychologist > http://www.dog-whisperer.co.uk/canine_psychology.htm > > A dog can only see the world from his dog perspective, and not from a > human's. That's why they do best when they're controlled and treated > based on the thought process of a canine mind, and not the owner's > mind. <http://hubpages.com/hub/How-Dogs-Experience-Emotion > > On Jan 14, 6:51 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > You don't know what a dog thinks, but you do know that they have no > > concept of truth or falseity? > > > Well that makles no sense at all really but lets run with the concept > > anyway. > > > Have you ever played the old throw the ball game with a dog? > > > If you have then you'll know that at some point you'll try the old > > fake out, that is pretend to throw the ball, to watch the dog bound > > away only to eventualy come back to you after failing to find the > > ball. > > > After a few times at this you will notice that the dog will start to > > check out your hands after the throw or the fake out, to see whether > > or not you have actualy thrown it, or you are trying to decive him. > > > Now I would say that particular dog certianly can concive that you are > > capable of deceptive actions, wouldn't you? > > > On 13 Jan, 17:45, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Jan 13, 12:12 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 12 Jan, 23:26, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 12, 5:49 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Sorry Chaz I'm calling rubbish on this one. > > > > > > > If I give my dog a bone and them take it away from him. The truth > > > > > > from my perspective is that I'm a wind up merchant. Are you saying > > > > > > that the dog has no perception of the truth here? Did he not > > > > > > witness > > > > > > me offer and then take back the bone? > > > > > > Dog don't have truth because they don't use the word. Why would you > > > > > imagine that the dog cashes this stuff out in "terms" of truth? Who > > > > > knows what the dog thinks but one thing is for sure he does think "Lee > > > > > is a wind-up merchant". > > > > > You are talking rubbish. > > > > > Maybe, but when you KNOW you don't know what the dog thinks, and > > > > THEN you state 'one thing for sure is...' you're just speculating. > > > > There is not one jot of speculation above. I don't know what a dog > > > think but I do not he doesn't have ideas of truth and falsity. > > > > > > > On 12 Jan, 15:53, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jan 11, 10:58 pm, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Let me break down what you are saying. > > > > > > > > Truth and God only exist in the human mind. > > > > > > > > Both Truth and God are concepts which are effected by evidence > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > reason. > > > > > > > > > So if Truth is only in the human mind, then what are reason and > > > > > > > > evidence discovering? Are you defining truth as a value > > > > > > > > judgment > > > > > > > > about something "out there"? Or is truth the something "out > > > > > > > > there" > > > > > > > > that evidence and reason are trying to discover? > > > > > > > > I am defining it as the former. Truth is meaningless out side > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > perception. > > > > > > > Without us there is no truth as there is no human to conceive of > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > On Jan 11, 10:50 am, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 10, 7:00 pm, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Are they so assured that God does not exist but truth does? > > > > > > > > > > Neither truth nor god exist outside of the human mind. Both > > > > > > > > > are human > > > > > > > > > concepts which rise or fall against the tides of evidence and > > > > > > > > > reason. > > > > > > > > > The main difference is that god has lost the argument but > > > > > > > > > truth can > > > > > > > > > still be found despite this simple fact. > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 10, 11:38 am, frantheman > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10 Jan., 19:30, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> Where do Atheists find such passion? > > > > > > > > > > > > In a love of truth ... and honesty?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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