Many thanks, Francis. We all hold each other.
On Feb 6, 9:51 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote:
> So, Molly, your mother-in-law has finally died. I would like to wish
> you my condolences, although I'm not sure how we should use or
> interpret this word. You have alluded a little, occasionally, here to
> the last phase of her life and the difficulties (but also the positive
> things) associated with this final phase. In the course of my work, I
> have frequent experiences of death and, especially in the case of the
> old or those chronically ill, mostly have a feeling of completion. A
> journey ended. A destination reached. Or, a metaphor I particularly
> like, the last few pieces put into a mosaic so that the picture is
> finished and we can finally appreciate the beauty and see all the
> patterns.
>
> I'm sure you and your family will mourn - this is necessary, natural
> and good. But I am also sure that you will celebrate the woman you
> knew, in all her facets, in all the phases of her life. Beginning and
> ending, becoming and fading out, moving in and moving on; these are
> all aspects of the wonderful adventure we call life ... and death.
>
> Look after each other!
>
> Francis
>
> On 6 Feb., 15:26, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Are you are using the I AM reference as that of the Hebrew Yahweh
> > > translation?
>
> > Well, I can't say that I am well versed enough in Hebrew studies to be
> > making an adequate reference to this. I do think that knowing "I am"
> > is a much different state of consciousness than the object related "I
> > am that"
>
> > > Is your capitalized "THAT" the Hebrew word asher? As in I am That I
> > > am? Or do you relate with Vam's latin sum mum bono?
>
> > I think that even these references mean different things to different
> > people who have studied these concepts.
>
> > > You also reference the "Alpha and Omega" which I know is a Revelation
> > > verse referring to the Christ and correlated to the Isaiah verse
> > > reference First and Last.
>
> > Yes, and also greek alphabet letters. I don't pretend to be a bible
> > scholar, although I am fascinated with the passages as I see them as
> > diagrams for consciousness raising. I am not familiar with the
> > passage you site so I looked it up and here is the King James version
> > of Revelation 1:8: I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the
> > ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come,
> > the Almighty.
>
> > This is a good example of my meaning. Because the beginning and the
> > end are just markers, we are more - what is, what was and what will be
> > - all time
>
> > > I ask this as a means of evaluating your objectivity or more or less
> > > getting a better idea of the nature of your objectivity.
>
> > I will try to do a better job in exploring what I mean by object. Any
> > time we see something apart from ourselves, we objectify it. Whether
> > a keyboard, person, painting, car, store - any thing. At the level of
> > the many they are separate. This is nothing new and has references as
> > old as written language, Descartes writing probably the foremost in
> > our minds. And yet, these objects are also extensions of ourselves
> > and expressions of who we are in the moment and the possibility of our
> > becoming. I believe that our relationship to these "things" and our
> > responses in thoughts and feeling determine the nature of our
> > experience, in dream and waking life. The difference is that in
> > dream, the logic of our thoughts is less constrained by societal
> > models. We all tend to think in terms that allow us to relate to our
> > larger society. And this is good. It allows us to fully explore the
> > experience of one and many. If we can hold ourselves in a place of
> > love, feeling compassion for "other" is not limited to a respect for
> > the other, but becomes an expression of love that creates and
> > continues a loving experience. Not easy to do under difficult
> > circumstances - and it is these times that drive can drive us
> > internally to the core of our being to find the essential possibility
> > of love. To reach that ultimate state of creation "the
> > Almighty" (referenced above)sometimes takes adversity, but once the
> > pathway has been forged, we can return and set up camp, if we desire
> > to do so. If not, we have the opportunity to witness our resistance
> > to do so, giving us insight into our internal natures where we can
> > choose (or not) the thoughts, feelings and states that create or
> > experience anew.
>
> > > Basically, are you attaching biblical reference to your dreamscape?
>
> > I try not to do this because it puts people off. But as I believe my
> > dreamscape to be a reflection of my consciousness, and the bible a
> > collection of diagrams for consciousness raising, they might apply. I
> > don't consciously relate the two and avoid doing so in my writing,
> > though enjoy swimming with a buddy in these waters if I find someone
> > who is simpatico.
>
> > > I'm not discounting it but simply want to get a clearer view of what
> > > direction we are going. As you say "even the beginning is a rambling
> > > road", this is why I'm trying to sort it out.
>
> > Thanks for the wonderful chat, Slip. I can see the campfire and that
> > bottle of wine right now.
>
> > > Statements such as "............I create, according to a simple design
> > > that
> > > includes knowing that I AM the creator and the creation.", seem to me
> > > in need of more clarity, especially that you are talking about your
> > > dreaming.
>
> > Don't let me off the hook for responding to this, Slip. Right now, as
> > my mother in law passed away yesterday (peacefully in her sleep,) I
> > must run off for attention to family. There are many emotions and
> > transitions here, much alpha and omega. Back in the next quiet
> > moment, my friend.
>
> > Molly
>
> > > On Feb 5, 8:26 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > The "I Am" issue definitely requires some examination and a
> > > > descriptive
> > > > quality. Where would you, Molly, begin to define "I Am"?
>
> > > > As Vam implies, for me, the "I am" is all encompassing. It includes
> > > > the seer and the seen and the seeing. For me, it also includes the
> > > > alpha and omega, the beginning and end - that point of creation where
> > > > Logos is breathed into form. At that point, there is no object or
> > > > THAT, just me, and all that I am. I am also all that is, subjective
> > > > and objective.
>
> > > > I know that this viewpoint is not shared by all. But I do think it is
> > > > innate in all. From discussions about Heidegger and Husserl, object
> > > > and subject, I can see that there are folks that cannot get past the
> > > > idea that each of us is separate from the other, and it is true, we
> > > > are. But we are also more. There is more to knowing we are one than
> > > > just knowing there is something we have in common that we all share.
> > > > This is a leap that is difficult to discuss without having experienced
> > > > it. Discussions of the non dual are the closest I've seen.
>
> > > > My sleep experience changed once I let go of the notion of self and
> > > > other, and was able to rest in the knowing that everything that passes
> > > > through my consciousness, I create, according to a simple design that
> > > > includes knowing that I AM the creator and the creation. Now, I think
> > > > that most of my sleep time is spent in those parts of me that I can
> > > > only describe as pure love. The longer I can stay there, the more the
> > > > rest of all that I am falls in line with that loving experience. I
> > > > like to sleep 10 hrs. a night. I hold that space for everyone and all
> > > > that is I am. Of course, I also have dreams that allow me to problem
> > > > solve and create, dreams that remind me of the archetypes that hold me
> > > > near to the many, dreams that reflect my own resistance. I try to pay
> > > > attention to them all, and recognize the importance in all that they
> > > > are - and then let them go. Because I am in motion, and more is
> > > > coming into my experience that reflects all that I am and the
> > > > possibility of more.
>
> > > > I don't want to give anyone the impression that my life is
> > > > uncomplicated or without difficulty. I think that this is a
> > > > reflection of my resistance. I feel anger and sadness and joy and
> > > > love - but don't fall as much into the patterned emotion based on past
> > > > experience of these feeling as I once did. I hope I will continue to
> > > > find a more pure feeling for life as time goes on. I find that it is
> > > > easier if I focus more on the good and less on the "not me" or "what I
> > > > don't like", although those parts of me are visited too as they
> > > > reflect my own resistance to me. I have found that if I dwell there
> > > > and don't let go, I just get more of the same, along with an emotional
> > > > rush that creates a drive for more - very addicting. In other words,
> > > > focusing on I am allows me more of that experience of pure feeling.
> > > > Focusing on I am not, creates the object - I am not that - and limits
> > > > experience to the states that require an object. I am so much more
> > > > than that.
>
> > > > Thanks for stating your question, Slip, as "where would you begin to
> > > > define." As you can see, even the beginning is a rambling road.
>
> > > > On Feb 4, 8:39 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > States beyond the physical senses in dreams are what I base my concept
> > > > > on. When there is no indication of physical representation (of the
> > > > > dreamer) within the dream, there is the possibility that the
> > > > > subconscious has entered the cosmic realm, even if only as a voyeur to
> > > > > witness an occurrence elsewhere. In this state one can transverse
> > > > > time and space. I have many dreams in which I only have visual
> > > > > presence without active physical participation, like I'm just there to
> > > > > see
>
> ...
>
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