Let's clarify Molly. Are you are using the I AM reference as that of the Hebrew Yahweh translation?
Is your capitalized "THAT" the Hebrew word asher? As in I am That I am? Or do you relate with Vam's latin sum mum bono? You also reference the "Alpha and Omega" which I know is a Revelation verse referring to the Christ and correlated to the Isaiah verse reference First and Last. I ask this as a means of evaluating your objectivity or more or less getting a better idea of the nature of your objectivity. Basically, are you attaching biblical reference to your dreamscape? I'm not discounting it but simply want to get a clearer view of what direction we are going. As you say "even the beginning is a rambling road", this is why I'm trying to sort it out. Statements such as "............I create, according to a simple design that includes knowing that I AM the creator and the creation.", seem to me in need of more clarity, especially that you are talking about your dreaming. On Feb 5, 8:26 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > The "I Am" issue definitely requires some examination and a > descriptive > quality. Where would you, Molly, begin to define "I Am"? > > As Vam implies, for me, the "I am" is all encompassing. It includes > the seer and the seen and the seeing. For me, it also includes the > alpha and omega, the beginning and end - that point of creation where > Logos is breathed into form. At that point, there is no object or > THAT, just me, and all that I am. I am also all that is, subjective > and objective. > > I know that this viewpoint is not shared by all. But I do think it is > innate in all. From discussions about Heidegger and Husserl, object > and subject, I can see that there are folks that cannot get past the > idea that each of us is separate from the other, and it is true, we > are. But we are also more. There is more to knowing we are one than > just knowing there is something we have in common that we all share. > This is a leap that is difficult to discuss without having experienced > it. Discussions of the non dual are the closest I've seen. > > My sleep experience changed once I let go of the notion of self and > other, and was able to rest in the knowing that everything that passes > through my consciousness, I create, according to a simple design that > includes knowing that I AM the creator and the creation. Now, I think > that most of my sleep time is spent in those parts of me that I can > only describe as pure love. The longer I can stay there, the more the > rest of all that I am falls in line with that loving experience. I > like to sleep 10 hrs. a night. I hold that space for everyone and all > that is I am. Of course, I also have dreams that allow me to problem > solve and create, dreams that remind me of the archetypes that hold me > near to the many, dreams that reflect my own resistance. I try to pay > attention to them all, and recognize the importance in all that they > are - and then let them go. Because I am in motion, and more is > coming into my experience that reflects all that I am and the > possibility of more. > > I don't want to give anyone the impression that my life is > uncomplicated or without difficulty. I think that this is a > reflection of my resistance. I feel anger and sadness and joy and > love - but don't fall as much into the patterned emotion based on past > experience of these feeling as I once did. I hope I will continue to > find a more pure feeling for life as time goes on. I find that it is > easier if I focus more on the good and less on the "not me" or "what I > don't like", although those parts of me are visited too as they > reflect my own resistance to me. I have found that if I dwell there > and don't let go, I just get more of the same, along with an emotional > rush that creates a drive for more - very addicting. In other words, > focusing on I am allows me more of that experience of pure feeling. > Focusing on I am not, creates the object - I am not that - and limits > experience to the states that require an object. I am so much more > than that. > > Thanks for stating your question, Slip, as "where would you begin to > define." As you can see, even the beginning is a rambling road. > > On Feb 4, 8:39 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > States beyond the physical senses in dreams are what I base my concept > > on. When there is no indication of physical representation (of the > > dreamer) within the dream, there is the possibility that the > > subconscious has entered the cosmic realm, even if only as a voyeur to > > witness an occurrence elsewhere. In this state one can transverse > > time and space. I have many dreams in which I only have visual > > presence without active physical participation, like I'm just there to > > see what is taking place. Aside from other types of dreams, these > > visual only dreams are the ones that bring about the questions. The > > "I Am" issue definitely requires some examination and a descriptive > > quality. Where would you, Molly, begin to define "I Am"? > > > On Feb 3, 11:46 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Those are all wonderful questions, and the answers really require us > > > to define "I am". I know from experience, that in my sleep, I enter > > > states beyond the physical senses, beyond language, beyond any concept > > > of I am. If we are living all lives that have ever been lived or ever > > > will be lived simultaneously, there is no other. This, for me, is a > > > sleep state, but I am also able to access it while awake. All about > > > viewpoint. > > > > On Feb 3, 11:39 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I understand Fran and your post indicates your inclination. > > > > Freud correlated personality and pathology, related conscious activity > > > > to unconscious motivation. Freud believed that as a condition of > > > > societal assimilation we repress certain desires and urges which > > > > manifested within the dream state, a realm that used symbolism as a > > > > means of expression. For Freud dreams were simply a threshold between > > > > the Id and Superego. Jung in contrast disagreed with the repression of > > > > specific aspects of the consciousness and viewed the unconscious as a > > > > spiritual realm with dreams being a portal to the unconscious and > > > > served as solution source for our conscious problems. I can see how he > > > > developed his concept shadow by viewing reality and the subconscious > > > > as sort of mirror images. Still neither Freud or Jung addressed my > > > > concept of dream travel in which dreams reflect a third, fourth and > > > > maybe fifth dimension of subconsciousness. Alfred Adler and Frederick > > > > Perls (Gestalt Therapy) had similar parallels but also had not > > > > explored other theories but also remained in the traditional or > > > > conventional interpretative circle. > > > > > Again, aside from the conventional wisdom, I offer new dimensions to > > > > dreaming such as: > > > > Was it "really" me in the dream? > > > > Was it the subconscious of someone else in "my" dream? > > > > Was it something that was happening at that moment in my dream or > > > > something that happened in the past or going to happen in the future? > > > > Was it simply someone's dream that I intercepted? > > > > > On Feb 3, 6:21 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Slip. I incline to a more traditional, conventional explanatation for > > > > > dreams. I see them primarily as a sorting and organising process for > > > > > our consciousness.A lot of what has happened between two periods of > > > > > sleep has been (temporarily) stored by our brains, not just > > > > > experiences, but feelings, thoughts, memories and memories of > > > > > experiences and memories. Temporary connections have been forged. Our > > > > > consciousness, however, will not retain all of this. > > > > > > REM-Sleep and dreams are part of the process where consciousness > > > > > structures this and dumps much which will not be retained. Dreams are > > > > > the (more or, more often, less) conscious experiencing of this sorting > > > > > out process. > > > > > > This is not to deny their importance. Vividly remembered dreams are > > > > > signals about things which are really concerning or preoccupying us, > > > > > in positive as well as negative ways. They can often guide us to > > > > > issues, ideas and feelings which concern us, which are not always > > > > > available or clear to our waking consciousness. But we should be > > > > > careful, in my view, towards ascribing too much meaning to specific > > > > > images or incidents in dreams; they are, by their very nature, a > > > > > higgeldy-piggeldy mixture of all sorts, with many co-incidental > > > > > connections, very like what would happen if I simply dumped out some > > > > > of the drawers I have in my desk, or kitchen, where everything under > > > > > the "to be sorted later" label lands, on the floor. There is then, no > > > > > significance about the fact that a rubber band has wound itself around > > > > > a battery which is lying on a postcard from an old acquaintance, which > > > > > I still hadn't decided to throw away. > > > > > > Daniel C. Dennett, with his model of multi-draft consciousness, has > > > > > some interesting explanations in his writings on the subject. > > > > > > On 3 Feb., 10:51, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Good to see you back Frank. Thanks again for the interpretation. Try > > > > > > the one about the river, the snake, the mountain, the room. Molly > > > > > > seemed to have some insight on it. (see below) > > > > > > > There are strange occurrences in dreams that leave us in a state of > > > > > > awe at times delving deep for interpretation. What usually strikes > > > > > > me > > > > > > most in my dreams are situations that are really bazaar and > > > > > > unaccounted for in consciousness, the people I've never met and the > > > > > > places I've never been. Regardless of the lucidity of dreams, some > > > > > > are obviously very symbolic with unimaginable situations and > > > > > > objects, > > > > > > like flying, clowns and the transformation of inanimate objects to > > > > > > real life beings. I haven't paid much attention to dreams as of > > > > > > late > > > > > > due to a Sciatica attack that has had me on heavy medication for the > > > > > > past two weeks, I feel like I'm in a daze and can't really function > > > > > > well, my equilibrium is imbalanced, my thoughts are fragmented and > > > > > > I've lost continuity of focus. > > > > > > > Still I value my dreams and try to piece them together. Dreams are > > > > > > not part of the real world but a realm all unto it's own. That is > > > > > > why > > > > > > I hypothesized on quantum dream travel, if it is not happening in my > > > > > > conscious world then it is happening somewhere else. People tend to > > > > > > think of dreams as being weird or strange without the slightest > > > > > > consideration of how strange the world we live in is. I look > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
