Who is to say that your suicidal method will assure more comfort and exclude any and all instances of panic, including but not limited to subconscious awareness of self induced destruction leading to a struggle out of simple survival instinct, which may no longer be optional to the conscious mind after succumbing to the inducement. The body may react violently to fight off the inducement and appear as if in a state of turmoil or torment. We may imagine a drug induced demise to be passive but can not identify with the subconscious as what is exactly going on. This is a controversial subject concerning the use of lethal injection in criminal death penalty cases. Personally I would opt to wear a fur coat in a densely wooded area during hunting season and make loud grunting sounds.
On Feb 15, 11:35 am, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > Without adverbial modification I am simply means that I exist. We can > assign it various sort of spiritual, metaphysical and eternal > characteristics which may or may not have any validity but we have no > way of knowing for sure. > > My speculation and belief that my state of mind at the moment of death > is significant to anything at all is just that -- pure speculation > about that particular moment -- and I've been wrong to often in life > to argue the issue very strongly. > > It's also true that quite often we have no choice about our state of > mind at the moment of death. In that regard, because it can happen at > any time to any of us, all I can do is hope I am in a relatively > stable and cognizant state of mind and not in a panic such as dying by > fire or water might cause. But it seems to me somewhat reassuring > when someone appears calm and peaceful during their last moments > regardless their previous mental state. Calm and peace, whether > conscious or not, can only make things more positive. > > I've never been able to agree with Dylan Thomas' urging to rage > against the dying of the light. My father died in such a rage so that > he tore up his face in the struggle. It could not have been a > pleasant or positive experience. However that sort of rage assumes > one knows death is imminent and until such time as it is, then one > should struggle because we all know of people who have come back from > seemingly impossible situations simply by a will to live. It's a fine > delicate line to walk. However, for myself, my belief is strong > enough that I will seriously consider suicide as a means to ensure > that end even though my doctor assures me that the likely means of my > death -- pulmonary failure -- is a comfortable end and not given to > panic. > > /e > > On Feb 7, 12:08 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I think that you first need to know yourself to help yourself. (What > > does I am really mean?) I'm not sure that my mother in law, bless her > > heart, ever reached that point. She seemed physically peaceful at the > > time of death, having slipped into a sleep consciousness and unable to > > communicate for the two weeks prior. Before that, she had five weeks > > in an escalating manic state that hospice struggle to help us with > > because most folks in this shape are not cared for at home. We > > watched her psychology crumple over the last several months so I > > really do wonder at her state of mind during her final breath. Once > > she was able to break through the mania and rest, she fell into > > something just short of a coma, unable to speak, eat or drink. All we > > could do was keep her clean and comfortable, provide daily loving > > touch, read to her, let her know that we were with her...the words we > > chose to read to her were chosen to provide some level of comfort and > > insight to her soul if such a thing is possible. It is interesting > > that not all of us are seemingly in a position to choose our final > > state of mind...yet we transition nonetheless, and eventually move > > into what is next. > > > It feels good now, to be able to step back and appreciate her entire > > life, knowing that these last several months were just a small part of > > the entire woman who generated so much life around her. > > > To give you a short answer for now, Slip, I can love and appreciate > > her as other, but also as a significant part of creation and a > > reflection of who I am in the moment. I can feel that her life is > > beautiful unto itself and also a part of who I am and all of creation. > > > On Feb 7, 11:00 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Sounds like an Anthony Robbins seminar. Or maybe Scientology. "Send > > > us all your money and we we will make you a happier person." I need > > > to start my own self-help business. > > > > dj > > > > >> > > Joseph Murphy (1898-1981) > > > >> > > Prosperity writer extraordinaire DR. JOSEPH MURPHY wrote, taught, > > > >> > > counseled, and lectured to thousands all over the world for nearly > > > >> > > fifty years. > > > > >> > > Born in 1898, he was educated in Ireland and England. Years of > > > >> > > research studying the world's major religions convinced him that > > > >> > > some > > > >> > > great Power lay behind them all: The Power is within you! Dr Murphy > > > >> > > spent a good part of his life studying Eastern religions, and was a > > > >> > > scholar of the I-Ching, the Chinese book of divination whose > > > >> > > origins > > > >> > > are lost in history. > > > > >> > > Joseph Murphy, Ph.D., D.D., was a world-renowned authority on > > > >> > > mysticism and mind dynamics. He remains a beacon of enlightenment > > > >> > > and > > > >> > > inspiration for legions of loyal followers. "You were born to be > > > >> > > rich. > > > >> > > You grow rich by the use of your God-given faculties, by tuning in > > > >> > > with the Infinite, and as your mind becomes productive and full of > > > >> > > good ideas, your labor will become more productive and will bring > > > >> > > you > > > >> > > all kinds of material riches." "There is no virtue whatsoever in > > > >> > > poverty, which in actual fact is a mental disease, and it should be > > > >> > > abolished from the face of the earth. You are here to find your > > > >> > > true > > > >> > > place in life, and to give of your talents to the world. You are > > > >> > > here > > > >> > > to expand and unfold in a wonderful way, according to a God-given > > > >> > > potential, and to bring forth spiritual, mental, and material > > > >> > > riches, > > > >> > > which will bless humanity in countless ways. > > > > >> > > Learn how to surround yourself always with beauty, and luxury, and > > > >> > > realize your inalienable right to live, liberty, freedom and peace > > > >> > > of > > > >> > > mind. "It is your Divine right to dramatize, reveal, portray and > > > >> > > express the power, elegance, and riches of the Infinite One." "I > > > >> > > have > > > >> > > seen miracles happen to men and women in all walks of life all over > > > >> > > the world." -- Dr. Joseph Murphy. > > > > >> > > The subconscious responds to habit and habitual thinking. Being > > > >> > > totally neutral in a moral sense, it is happy to adopt any habit as > > > >> > > 'normal' - good or bad. We blithely let negative thoughts drop into > > > >> > > the subconscious every minute of our lives, then are surprised when > > > >> > > they find expression in day to day experiences and relationships. > > > >> > > While there are some things that will happen to us that we had no > > > >> > > role > > > >> > > in creating, these are in fact rare. Mostly, the bad that happens > > > >> > > is > > > >> > > in us already, waiting for the light of day. 'The law of your mind > > > >> > > is > > > >> > > the law of belief itself,' Murphy says. What we believe makes us > > > >> > > who > > > >> > > we are. William James observed that whatever people expect to be > > > >> > > true, > > > >> > > will be so, irrespective of whether the object of their belief > > > >> > > exists > > > >> > > in fact. In the West we have made 'the truth' our highest value; > > > >> > > this > > > >> > > motivation, while important, is weak next to the actual power of > > > >> > > belief in shaping our lives. > > > > >> > > Whatever you give your subconscious – false or true, good or evil > > > >> > > – it > > > >> > > will register as fact. Be careful not to joke about misfortune, as > > > >> > > the > > > >> > > subconscious has no sense of humour. Dr. Murphy teaches the simple, > > > >> > > scientifically proven techniques and the astonishing facts about > > > >> > > how > > > >> > > your subconscious powers can perform miracles of healing. How lung > > > >> > > cancer has been cured and optic nerves made whole again. How you > > > >> > > can > > > >> > > use the newly discovered Law of Attraction to increase your money- > > > >> > > getting powers. How your subconscious mind can win you friends, > > > >> > > peace > > > >> > > of mind, and even help you to attract the ideal mate. How your > > > >> > > dreams > > > >> > > can help you solve problems and make difficult decisions -- or warn > > > >> > > you of potential disaster. Prosperity, happiness and perfect health > > > >> > > are yours when you use The Power Of Your Subconscious Mind. > > > > >> > > So what do you all think? > > > >> > > OK Minds Eye, Let'r Rip (not rest in peace) --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
