I guess you are insinuating that out of body, astral and other are only affects attainable through DMT. There have been documented stories of people clinically pronounced dead then regaining consciousness that remember seeing themselves laying in the hospital bed. These days with advances in cardiac resuscitation the incidences of death and near death experiences are increasing along with stories of the beyond. I myself experienced lung collapse due to pneumonia, of which I was unaware of but perceived to be another back ache and which I further exacerbated by treating it with muscle relaxants, thereby allowing the pneumonia to progress to the point of the collapse.
On Feb 16, 9:20 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > Slip Disc, there's no reason to dismiss it, when it's been well documented, > and fully explained. > Google "effects of DiMethylTryptamine". > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > We can't dismiss the possibility of out of body experience and the > > occurrence of other phenomena in the death experience, based upon > > death in the sleep mode. Coming from you Pat, I'm a bit dismayed as > > you should have the wherewithal to explain it better than I. However, > > I can relay a portion of my experience within a coma at which time I > > did know I was dying, so even in the subconscious mind there is > > "awareness" of death. Would you rather be awake watching yourself die > > or be a floating apparition watching yourself sleep? Aside from that > > we can't be sure that a person who dies sleeping was actually in fact > > sleeping by all outward appearances. One could be too weak to open > > the eyes but be very well aware of the people standing around and the > > impending cross over into the afterlife. > > > On Feb 16, 6:39 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 16 Feb, 01:17, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > What you say is true. There is no assurances, but I'd still be > > > > willing to bet my life on it being more comfortable or at the least > > > > aware. That is my greatest desire to be cogently aware of what's > > > > going on as it happens. I'd give up calm and peace for awareness. > > > > Though I must say your fur coat in hunting season approach has it's > > > > points. > > > > You and me both, Gruff. I want to know when it's coming. The LAST > > > thing I want to do is to die in my sleep: how will I know I'm dead? > > > Especially if there IS and aftertime. Of course, if there isn't, then > > > it won't matter; but I'd still prefer to know that the time is coming > > > so I can acknowledge the end of my life. But, whatever happens, it > > > will be that which is required to happen and my desires and > > > preferences are, most likely, irrelevant. > > > > > On Feb 15, 11:06 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Who is to say that your suicidal method will assure more comfort and > > > > > exclude any and all instances of panic, including but not limited to > > > > > subconscious awareness of self induced destruction leading to a > > > > > struggle out of simple survival instinct, which may no longer be > > > > > optional to the conscious mind after succumbing to the inducement. > > > > > The body may react violently to fight off the inducement and appear > > as > > > > > if in a state of turmoil or torment. We may imagine a drug induced > > > > > demise to be passive but can not identify with the subconscious as > > > > > what is exactly going on. This is a controversial subject concerning > > > > > the use of lethal injection in criminal death penalty cases. > > > > > Personally I would opt to wear a fur coat in a densely wooded area > > > > > during hunting season and make loud grunting sounds.- Hide quoted > > text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
