It is not accurate to say that people who go into medicine are motivated by a "personal attachment to money." In that, Orn, we are in agreement.
But the fact remains that it's a factor. If doctors were paid less, the quality of medicine would decrease. I went to good schools, and most of my friends went into various professions like medicine and the law. Many of them liked, and could have done, either. You can help people and find intellectual fulfillment in lots of different fields. If the salary of one decreases, it becomes less attractive relative to the others. On Apr 7, 10:48 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > "...so they have to be compensated by a lot to make the profession > economically worthwhile. If doctors were paid > less, more people who would otherwise be doctors would become lawyers, > and medical care wouldn't be as good as it is now. ...." - MB > > so many assumptions, so little time... > > Personally, I find any professional who is motivated by amassing a > fortune to be suspect at the core. > > The motivation for MDs ...in the US at least, most likely is not based > on a personal attachment to money...many other things, yes, but I'd > bet less for the former. Perhaps that is the motivation of many who > push others into the profession... > > Perhaps medical care would be better if the motivation were > otherwise...an analogy is the economy...etc. > > On Apr 7, 7:32 am, Michael Berkovits <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Agree with Molly. I don't understand any of the financial arguments > > presented. > > > Some people cut trees down for a living, and make a certain amount of > > money per year doing it. Some people lend money for a living, and > > make a certain amount of money per year doing it. In the former case, > > you trade the trees for money. In the latter case, it's the > > difference between what the borrowing rate and the interest rate that > > lets you make money. Nothing immoral about it. Only reason some > > people, and various religions, feel that charging interest is immoral > > is because of the fact that we didn't really evolve to understand > > abstract ways of making money. Sell wood? Sure. Make a living off a > > spread? Harder to understand. But why immoral? > > > As for medicine: Why are doctors paid so much? Because they're among > > the more talented people in society (i.e., intelligent - look at > > medical school acceptance rates), and they spend much longer in > > training than other people, so they have to be compensated by a lot to > > make the profession economically worthwhile. If doctors were paid > > less, more people who would otherwise be doctors would become lawyers, > > and medical care wouldn't be as good as it is now. So where would the > > morality be in that? Is every potential doctor who chooses to be a > > lawyer because the pay's better an immoral person? > > > On Apr 7, 2:55 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Frayed knot is an interesting way of putting it. > > > > I think society is more immoral than moral. I think most people agree that > > > killing some one is wrong. My problem with morality is when some one > > > charges excessive interest like in credit cards (my wife and I have one -- > > > and it is for emergencies only -- then immediately paid off ) justifying > > > this as sound business when in reality to me it seems like this greed is a > > > way of slowly killing some one, or Like ( i do have a very good health > > > insurance.) when I ended up in the hospital a few years back in the USA > > > and > > > the bill exceeded $8,000. for 24 hour stay.. basically to get my heart > > > beat > > > stabilized and watched. I saw 2 doctors for a total of 10 minutes.. > > > If I did not have insurance i would have an huge medical bill and to pay > > > it > > > I would have had to take food of my table to pay the bill. To me if a > > > person > > > is forced to pay an excessive amount to cover a bill cutting back on > > > normal > > > expenses to pay it,, the hospital is killing that person. > > > > or by charging excessive rent.. or a myriad of other ways of killing some > > > one legally .. the slower the better.. > > > > On my savings account I am paid a meager 2.6 % but if I want to borrow > > > money > > > I have to pay 9.8% If I depended upon that interest for my living again > > > corporate greed would be killing me.. and this difference is immoral yet > > > it > > > is easily justified as business. > > > > I think people many people only want to appear to be moral yet at the > > > same > > > time want to use business or corporations to hide their immorality. > > > > The only conclusion I can reach is people prefer to be immoral. Just > > > talking > > > the talk not walking the walk of morality. > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > Evil reconciled to good? Frayed knot! > > > > > On Apr 5, 10:18 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Why is evil always so hard to nail down or why does it seem that no > > > > > one really wants to identify it but simply dissect the potentiality of > > > > > what it may define. You don't consider anything on the video as evil > > > > > but do recognize it as bad, horrifying and obscene, which basically > > > > > covers the face of evil, but rather bypass evil representation to > > > > > bring attention to religious aspects, which by the way I agree with > > > > > 100%, don't burn your steak here. The dark ages are still upon us > > > > > brother and while technology creates a vision of advancement, > > > > > attitudes and behaviours create a different picture, the picture of > > > > > reality, of good and of evil. I feel we must somehow find resolve in > > > > > the issue of what is evil. We have here a collection of brilliant > > > > > minds, myself excluded lol, and so we can somehow be assertive in our > > > > > resolve. I find too many threads wind up as fray ends. Which reminds > > > > > me of a thread that walked into a bar, the bartender said "we don't > > > > > serve threads", so the thread walked out, shredded out it's end and > > > > > tied itself into a loop, walked back into the bar, the bartender > > > > > noticed and immediately and irately said, "damn, I told you we don't > > > > > serve threads in here", the thread responded "I'm not a thread" at > > > > > which the bartender scowled, "you are so" and so the thread having the > > > > > last word said "nope, I'm a frayed knot". > > > > > > On Apr 5, 12:26 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks Slip. I don't really consider what is going on in the video > > > > > > and what it represents as evil. It is bad, it is horrifying, it is > > > > > > obscene, but it is also no more than religion battling it's fiercest > > > > > > foe -- education and enlightenment. On the other hand, religion > > > > > > considers education and enlightenment evil -- the work of the devil. > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 2:05 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks for the video gruff, it was overwhelmingly sad but very > > > > > > > enlightening as to the seriousness and the dilemma of these > > > > > > > people. > > > > It > > > > > > > takes me back over to the other thread, Does Evil Exist. One only > > > > > > > needs to watch this video for the answer. > > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 3:38 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Here is a good reason for moral behavior -- call it what you > > > > > > > > like > > > > (we > > > > > > > > are our brother's keeper, the golden rule, do unto others, > > > > > > > > etc.) -- > > > >http://video.nytimes.com/video/2009/02/22/world/asia/1194838044017/cl... > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
