"...If doctors were paid less, the quality of medicine would decrease. ..." - MB
Perhaps in a culture that deifies avarice...otherwise, this too is but an assumption. On Apr 9, 1:15 pm, Michael Berkovits <[email protected]> wrote: > It is not accurate to say that people who go into medicine are > motivated by a "personal attachment to money." In that, Orn, we are > in agreement. > > But the fact remains that it's a factor. If doctors were paid less, > the quality of medicine would decrease. I went to good schools, and > most of my friends went into various professions like medicine and the > law. Many of them liked, and could have done, either. You can help > people and find intellectual fulfillment in lots of different fields. > If the salary of one decreases, it becomes less attractive relative to > the others. > > On Apr 7, 10:48 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "...so they have to be compensated by a lot to make the profession > > economically worthwhile. If doctors were paid > > less, more people who would otherwise be doctors would become lawyers, > > and medical care wouldn't be as good as it is now. ...." - MB > > > so many assumptions, so little time... > > > Personally, I find any professional who is motivated by amassing a > > fortune to be suspect at the core. > > > The motivation for MDs ...in the US at least, most likely is not based > > on a personal attachment to money...many other things, yes, but I'd > > bet less for the former. Perhaps that is the motivation of many who > > push others into the profession... > > > Perhaps medical care would be better if the motivation were > > otherwise...an analogy is the economy...etc. > > > On Apr 7, 7:32 am, Michael Berkovits <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Agree with Molly. I don't understand any of the financial arguments > > > presented. > > > > Some people cut trees down for a living, and make a certain amount of > > > money per year doing it. Some people lend money for a living, and > > > make a certain amount of money per year doing it. In the former case, > > > you trade the trees for money. In the latter case, it's the > > > difference between what the borrowing rate and the interest rate that > > > lets you make money. Nothing immoral about it. Only reason some > > > people, and various religions, feel that charging interest is immoral > > > is because of the fact that we didn't really evolve to understand > > > abstract ways of making money. Sell wood? Sure. Make a living off a > > > spread? Harder to understand. But why immoral? > > > > As for medicine: Why are doctors paid so much? Because they're among > > > the more talented people in society (i.e., intelligent - look at > > > medical school acceptance rates), and they spend much longer in > > > training than other people, so they have to be compensated by a lot to > > > make the profession economically worthwhile. If doctors were paid > > > less, more people who would otherwise be doctors would become lawyers, > > > and medical care wouldn't be as good as it is now. So where would the > > > morality be in that? Is every potential doctor who chooses to be a > > > lawyer because the pay's better an immoral person? > > > > On Apr 7, 2:55 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Frayed knot is an interesting way of putting it. > > > > > I think society is more immoral than moral. I think most people agree > > > > that > > > > killing some one is wrong. My problem with morality is when some one > > > > charges excessive interest like in credit cards (my wife and I have one > > > > -- > > > > and it is for emergencies only -- then immediately paid off ) > > > > justifying > > > > this as sound business when in reality to me it seems like this greed > > > > is a > > > > way of slowly killing some one, or Like ( i do have a very good health > > > > insurance.) when I ended up in the hospital a few years back in the USA > > > > and > > > > the bill exceeded $8,000. for 24 hour stay.. basically to get my heart > > > > beat > > > > stabilized and watched. I saw 2 doctors for a total of 10 minutes.. > > > > If I did not have insurance i would have an huge medical bill and to > > > > pay it > > > > I would have had to take food of my table to pay the bill. To me if a > > > > person > > > > is forced to pay an excessive amount to cover a bill cutting back on > > > > normal > > > > expenses to pay it,, the hospital is killing that person. > > > > > or by charging excessive rent.. or a myriad of other ways of killing > > > > some > > > > one legally .. the slower the better.. > > > > > On my savings account I am paid a meager 2.6 % but if I want to borrow > > > > money > > > > I have to pay 9.8% If I depended upon that interest for my living again > > > > corporate greed would be killing me.. and this difference is immoral > > > > yet it > > > > is easily justified as business. > > > > > I think people many people only want to appear to be moral yet at the > > > > same > > > > time want to use business or corporations to hide their immorality. > > > > > The only conclusion I can reach is people prefer to be immoral. Just > > > > talking > > > > the talk not walking the walk of morality. > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Evil reconciled to good? Frayed knot! > > > > > > On Apr 5, 10:18 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Why is evil always so hard to nail down or why does it seem that no > > > > > > one really wants to identify it but simply dissect the potentiality > > > > > > of > > > > > > what it may define. You don't consider anything on the video as evil > > > > > > but do recognize it as bad, horrifying and obscene, which basically > > > > > > covers the face of evil, but rather bypass evil representation to > > > > > > bring attention to religious aspects, which by the way I agree with > > > > > > 100%, don't burn your steak here. The dark ages are still upon us > > > > > > brother and while technology creates a vision of advancement, > > > > > > attitudes and behaviours create a different picture, the picture of > > > > > > reality, of good and of evil. I feel we must somehow find resolve > > > > > > in > > > > > > the issue of what is evil. We have here a collection of brilliant > > > > > > minds, myself excluded lol, and so we can somehow be assertive in > > > > > > our > > > > > > resolve. I find too many threads wind up as fray ends. Which > > > > > > reminds > > > > > > me of a thread that walked into a bar, the bartender said "we don't > > > > > > serve threads", so the thread walked out, shredded out it's end and > > > > > > tied itself into a loop, walked back into the bar, the bartender > > > > > > noticed and immediately and irately said, "damn, I told you we don't > > > > > > serve threads in here", the thread responded "I'm not a thread" at > > > > > > which the bartender scowled, "you are so" and so the thread having > > > > > > the > > > > > > last word said "nope, I'm a frayed knot". > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 12:26 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks Slip. I don't really consider what is going on in the > > > > > > > video > > > > > > > and what it represents as evil. It is bad, it is horrifying, it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > obscene, but it is also no more than religion battling it's > > > > > > > fiercest > > > > > > > foe -- education and enlightenment. On the other hand, religion > > > > > > > considers education and enlightenment evil -- the work of the > > > > > > > devil. > > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 2:05 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the video gruff, it was overwhelmingly sad but very > > > > > > > > enlightening as to the seriousness and the dilemma of these > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > It > > > > > > > > takes me back over to the other thread, Does Evil Exist. One > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > needs to watch this video for the answer. > > > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 3:38 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Here is a good reason for moral behavior -- call it what you > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > (we > > > > > > > > > are our brother's keeper, the golden rule, do unto others, > > > > > > > > > etc.) -- > > > > >http://video.nytimes.com/video/2009/02/22/world/asia/1194838044017/cl... > > > > > -- > > > > ( > > > > ) > > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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