Good Rosey I am glad to hear you are safe and will remain that way. Now about :
Just wait until they found out I have doubts in faith. Lol I know those feelings well .. ah the tribunals of christianity.. those that say "Bless me father for I have not sinned but let me tell you about Allan... " Interesting times lay ahead Rosey , . Your guardian will be there to help you and guide you. Allan & Patches On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you Allan, I'll be OK. There is nothing to worry about. I just > don't like being in the middle as relaying information can sometimes > be lethal. Especially the things people say when they are angry and > don't necessarily mean. > > Just wait until they found out I have doubts in faith. > > On Apr 29, 6:21 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > I do not envy you Rosey The people who seem to lead or at least those > that > > are in the news seem to be very frightening people, In christianity those > > activities are known as witch hunts where people (often leaders) accuse > > others of wrong doing.. I think that most of the time it is to draw > > attention away from their own activity It has been my experience in the > past > > that the character defects I see in others are in reality my own > defects.. > > but the same applies to others accusing me,, can be a very quick > insight. > > > > I do not think paranoia has never changed. The US used peoples peoples > > justified fears to create paranoia and justify the Bush (Iraq) war. > > unfortunately it has been that way for eons.. it seems to be a common > > thread or weapon for controlling the masses. > > > > Kind people are often taken advantage of, I know from first hand > experience. > > > > When I hear or read justifications for hurting some one i see the works > of > > men covering up their wrong doing. Rosey please take care and do not get > > yourself hurt. My wife tells me I worry a lot,, and as for you I worry > about > > your safety . > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > No, we wouldn't want Slip on Saturn. I guess Tink, what or how my > > > frame of mind has come to the conclusion that specific men will > > > inevitably return to evil tendencies is due to the misinterpretation > > > of intentions. I have good intentions and have been accused of > > > thinking or doing things that I would never imagine nor wish to embark > > > upon. To be quite honest, there are rare occasions where I've even > > > accused people of having bad intentions. And there have been times > > > where the accusations were justified, overall people are paranoid. > > > > > Has this paranoia changed much in the last millenium or two? Has the > > > human being really overcome this obstacle, even by short shot? > > > > > I am not saying this so that I can continue to argue a point that I > > > doubt collective mentality will ever be a universal objective and take > > > its course. I say this because we need to find solutions as to how > > > the human being can evolve into a being negative of paranoia, > > > jealousy, anger, manipulative tactics for gain, and hierarchial > > > stance. > > > > > My mother always told me that I am too soft, forgiving, and giving of > > > a person. A person is weak for having such qualities? The word she > > > used was Mathhaka, (a person that let's others take advantage of). I > > > am not weak, as a matter of fact I am quite content with my persona. > > > Currently facing issues of familial discord where I am in the middle. > > > Unfortunately being a messenger I find is the most difficult task a > > > person can enter as it wrings ones soul dry. I don't feel right > > > having to be in the middle. To me if one feels guilty for their > > > actions, it's their soul begging them to stop. I am trying wiith all > > > my power not to make things worse. I am this close to disassociating > > > myself altogether. I don't have to put up with it. Physically and > > > mentally exhausting. But situations like this display people at their > > > worst, I must say when a person is angry they are capable of stripping > > > a mountain from its peak. > > > > > How can collective mentality curb anger? In Islam, when a man states > > > to his wife that he is going to divorce her in anger, it is not > > > regarded as a qualifiable action. Only because one would have to > > > determine whether it was said in a conscious state of mind, or in > > > anger. If in anger, then it is forgivable, because it's not something > > > that one intends. > > > > > Point is, can man tame emotion? > > > > > On Apr 27, 10:39 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Rosey, > > > > I understand that the people you refer to as purely evil are > > > > despicable human beings. > > > > But they are human beings, and they are what they are because of the > > > > values (or lack of) they have acquired in their Life. > > > > I just have an aversion to the word and idea of 'evil' because it > > > > excuses the human from responsibility. > > > > Psycho/sociopath is as close as a human gets to the idea of evil. > > > > > > We don't have to get through to them. The Collective Mentality we're > > > > talking about establishing 'will' get through to them. > > > > We are not talking about selling a bunch of dogma, we are talking > > > > about establishing a link in our minds that will bring the power of > > > > our collective intelligence (God?) to bear on the actions of mankind. > > > > > > Slip said, "I think one of the key factors in the collective > mentality > > > > obstacle is > > > > the lack of insight into "post collective mentality". > > > > What I think he's saying is you are not looking at the possibility. > > > > Like a scientist has a vision or object in his mind first, then > begins > > > > to figure ways to make it real. Where would we be today if all the > > > > scientist had your attitude of "Oh we could never do that". > > > > > > We are looking to bring about an evolutionary leap for mankind. > Please > > > > release your primitive view of the human and look to the possibility > > > > of overcoming the base mentality and evolving to a truly spiritual > > > > people. > > > > Imagine utopia, think from that point of view. What is necessary to > > > > establish unity? > > > > > > And it needs to happen soon, cause we don't want slip to go back to > > > > Saturn :-) > > > > He wouldn't be happy without morning glories. > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > On Apr 27, 9:03 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Tinker, I get what you're saying, but when I mention "pure evil" I > am > > > > > referring to the leaders of countries. Few of them, very few, > would > > > > > agree with a collective mentality altogether. The problem is > getting > > > > > through to them. Yes we the plebians, patrons, citizens... are > > > > > starving for peace and humanity, but who is listening to us? As > long > > > > > as we have leaders that strive on maintaining power who are unable > to > > > > > equally share in thoughts, borders and resources, we are going to > have > > > > > followers that will believe in them. That's the truth. War > > > > > unfortunately reigns over sound mind. It's a paranoid caveman > > > > > instinct which evolution has yet to mutate. Am I for collective > > > > > mentality? 100%, do I believe it will actualize anytime soon, no. > > > > > It's going to take time. > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 5:13 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Rosey, > > > > > > Your thinking that allows for someone to be "pure evil" is the > sort > > > of > > > > > > stuff that is used to justify war. There is fear driven greed > that > > > > > > would apparently be the pure evil that you would substantiate. > But, > > > it > > > > > > is 'purely' fear driven greed. > > > > > > > > The people of the world do not cater to war. We are subjected to > war > > > > > > by the fear driven greedy who have taken control of our > government. > > > > > > > > What mother nature does is just fine. If we establish the > collective > > > > > > mentality we will come more in line with mother nature's natural > > > order > > > > > > and maybe even have a bit of influence :-) For sure we would > handle > > > > > > disasters a lot better. > > > > > > > > The ideas for a Collective Mentality have never made any > significant > > > > > > progress across barriers of Language and Culture. > > > > > > So we should give up trying to find the way to make a world wide > > > > > > collective mentality? > > > > > > > > Religions support the fatalistic prognosis. It would not give > them > > > > > > much authority if they didn't teach "there's nothing we can > > > > > > do" (instill apathy) except follow their dogma. > > > > > > > > A code of rules will never will never establish a collective > > > > > > mentality. That would be too complex to cross the barriers of > Culture > > > > > > and Language. > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 10:40 am, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Applause Slip, prior to responding to this thread I initially > > > planned > > > > > > > to agree with the collective mentality idea. As I am not one > that > > > is > > > > > > > pro war. To me war is greed, power and an agenda to eliminate > the > > > > > > > enemy. War is heartache and pain. But when you have too many > > > people > > > > > > > whose intentions of others are nothing but pure evil, how shall > we > > > > > > > acquire this collective mentality. Although signs of > collective > > > > > > > mentality are already evident, eventually (when I say > eventually, I > > > > > > > refer to a distant future) it will be on everyone's list of > > > > > > > accomodations. Today's generation has less barbaric tendencies > than > > > > > > > say 1000 years ago. Yet with the attainment of civility we > still > > > > > > > cater to war. War whether we like to admit it or not, > maintains > > > the > > > > > > > ratio of people versus earth's resources. Man is the creator > of > > > his > > > > > > > own demise. Even Mother Nature herself steps in when man does > not. > > > > > > > Now would a collective mentality prevent tsunami's, eruptions > of > > > > > > > volcanoes, weather afflictions, earthquakes and disease? Take > the > > > > > > > Black Plague for example; Europe's agricultural land and food > > > supply > > > > > > > did not accomodate to the demand of its residents. Many were > > > starving > > > > > > > and hungry, the black plague moderated the ratio where the > > > survivors > > > > > > > were able to reestablish a resourceful community. Time and > time > > > again > > > > > > > history has proven the survival of the fittest element. > Philosophy > > > > > > > and collective mentality theories have been developed as early > as > > > the > > > > > > > Greeks. It may be possible that one day citizens of the Earth > will > > > > > > > abide by a code of rules associated through a collective > mentality. > > > > > > > We can only hope. > > > > > > > > > On Apr 25, 11:44 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What do I think? I think it would not be a "simulation" of a > > > perfect > > > > > > > > world but a reality that all of > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- ( ) I_D Allan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
