I would imagine, retrospectively, that humans during love experiences felt that chest pain associated with it and regarded that emotion as being directly connected to the heart, which of course is the mainstay of our life, the beat that must go on. The 'shouldisms' are directly pointed to those that shun love out of expectational disappointment and so as a remedial approach I suggest that we 'should', etc. or else suffer the disappointment, needlessly. Why cut off the water from the spring, kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, render ourselves blind or discontinue our quest for love on account of expectational disappointment? These are heartfelt expressions and not those of rationalization or logical relativism which are external evaluative approaches to love and not emotional understanding emerging from the internal.
On May 4, 8:42 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > Slip, all except the 'shouldism' of this post is exceptional! > > Love of course can mean whatever a person says it means…such is the > relativism of today. And, you have pointed directly to the emanation > aspect of the heart. It is no accident that in a few theologies there > is iconography depicting people’s hearts with wings, rays of light > etc. In all cases, the person being represented is as the sun… > radiating divine love to the universe. > > On May 4, 5:14 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Let us not forget that, for some people, Love presents emotional > > expectations, reciprocal interaction that mirrors that of the person > > expecting. When those expectations are not met or when they are > > merely cast into the wind as just fanciful notions by the object of > > the projected love, hurt, pain and disappointment erode that initial > > love, rendering it crippled. > > Without the expectations factor, love can be resilient within > > oneself. We should not let our ability and capacity to love be > > crippled due to the disappointment of others not living up to our > > expectations. It is not our failure when reciprocal love is not > > achieved but the failure of the other to understand love. > > There should not be any expectations, we should love unconditionally > > and love should be expressed expressly as an outward emotion. Love is > > not something to fill our emotional voids, reinforce our weaknesses or > > confidence. Love will not suffer for the incapacity or inability of > > others to experience it, for whatever reason. Love will endure as it > > has through eons of time. To those who bash love, I say, take your > > indifference and scorn and drop them into the deepest well for there > > is not any emotion in the universe that is as powerful as that of > > love, when we embrace it. The beauty of love is that we can always > > love again. > > > On May 4, 6:02 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > ...and yet Love can be a powerful source for all these things. > > > > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I would think the 'exploding in the arts' would be better classified > > > > as insight, inspiration or revelation rather than Love. > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > On May 4, 6:28 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Yes. It explodes in the arts. Have done the whole trip- painting, > > > >> music, needlearts, poetry, gardening, cooking, diplomas. It still > > > >> doesn't cure a lost heart. I am now a hermitess living in a grand > > > >> house. My children are scattered and I was a good mother to them. > > > >> Maybe that is Love. > > > > >> On May 4, 5:04 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > Love is beauty and pain defined. But in order to experience the pain > > > >> > you must see its beauty. Which often happens unexpectedly. I wish I > > > >> > wasn't one of those people that think with their heart. What is the > > > >> > value of brilliance when the actions of your heart blind you from > > > >> > using it? When I think of love, it's a deep, deep, longing for > > > >> > passion. Perhaps a flight without a plane. Or a swim without water. > > > >> > Maybe even a delicacy tasted without swallowing. It's there but your > > > >> > wary from it, worried about losing it, careful but not capable of > > > >> > determining whether you keep it or not, as love does change. It gives > > > >> > one the ability to things they would never expect. > > > > >> > For example: I was able to play a tune on the piano, yet I don't play > > > >> > the piano. No, not expertly, I would post a link to it but would be > > > >> > worried about getting critiqued by experts. I am no expert and don't > > > >> > play the piano, never have, we bought a keyboard about two months > > > >> > ago, > > > >> > yet I managed a whole heart felt tune, I closed my eyes and let my > > > >> > fingers work their own magic. Do you think love gives one > > > >> > abilities? > > > > >> > On May 4, 5:46 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > I am one of you- though disappointed and resigned. I look back > > > >> > > over my > > > >> > > life as a grief of love. Take my heart but spare me my money. The > > > >> > > last > > > >> > > time I heard "jaded" was from my highschool sweetheart who I dated > > > >> > > for > > > >> > > a year after he divorced from a 30 year marriage. He was still a > > > >> > > jerk > > > >> > > and died soon after I left him. Stuff happens. > > > > >> > > On May 4, 3:54 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > > > >> > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > Hmmm...I don't know, from what I hear, age is no barrier to love > > > >> > > > nor lust. ;) > > > > >> > > > Glad to have you aboard. Strong opening salvo, though! No soft > > > >> > > > spot at > > > >> > > > all for us romantics? > > > > >> > > > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:39 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > Thank you for Monday's laugh! One is allowed. Two would be > > > >> > > > > lethal.// I > > > >> > > > > wasn't sure this thought would get through but I would like to > > > >> > > > > read > > > >> > > > > along in this group. I am a grandmother so somewhat protected > > > >> > > > > from > > > >> > > > > foolish fancy even in the lusty month of May. I lust after > > > >> > > > > William > > > >> > > > > Safire. :-) Anyway, thanks for the welcome.// > > > > >> > > > > On May 4, 10:35 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Ah, the voice of the jaded. > > > > >> > > > >> Welcome, Rigsy. Care to tell us a story? > > > > >> > > > >> [ Attached Message ]From:rigsy03 > > > >> > > > >> <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > > > >> > > > >> <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 06:16:08 > > > >> > > > >> -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 8:16 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] > > > >> > > > >> Re: What is the nature of Love? > > > > >> > > > >> Love is a myth and marketing tool. > > > > >> > > > >> On May 4, 8:10 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > Not always, but definitely at least sometimes. There is > > > >> > > > >> > much healing in a loving touch. > > > > >> > > > >> > [ Attached Message ]From:Rosey > > > >> > > > >> > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > > > >> > > > >> > <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 05:53:04 > > > >> > > > >> > -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 7:53 amSubject:[Mind's > > > >> > > > >> > Eye] Re: What is the nature of Love? > > > > >> > > > >> > Is affection healing? Can a person kiss and hug the pain > > > >> > > > >> > away? I > > > >> > > > >> > believe this tactic works. But for some it does not. > > > > >> > > > >> > On May 4, 8:41 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > >> > wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > I think I understand and I do appreciate your words here > > > >> > > > >> > > Vam. We all, > > > >> > > > >> > > each of us, deserve to be surrounded by those that love us > > > >> > > > >> > > unconditionally, and allow us to be who we are as we > > > >> > > > >> > > evolve and > > > >> > > > >> > > awaken. The key for me has been to provide this to those > > > >> > > > >> > > around me. I > > > >> > > > >> > > have found that in doing so, I am surrounded by folks who > > > >> > > > >> > > can love in > > > >> > > > >> > > the same way. This does not mean that I allow myself to > > > >> > > > >> > > be exploited > > > >> > > > >> > > or abused, because I think that a part of unconditional > > > >> > > > >> > > love is > > > >> > > > >> > > bringing such behavior by the other to light, and then > > > >> > > > >> > > moving away > > > >> > > > >> > > from it, allowing the other to learn or not. There are > > > >> > > > >> > > times when > > > >> > > > >> > > compassion is enough and the relationship becoming > > > >> > > > >> > > peripheral is in > > > >> > > > >> > > perfect order. Your unconditional love then includes > > > >> > > > >> > > honesty, > > > >> > > > >> > > appreciation and psychological safety for all. These can > > > >> > > > >> > > be provided > > > >> > > > >> > > through deep intimacy or great distance. There is a grace > > > >> > > > >> > > that leads > > > >> > > > >> > > the way. > > > > >> > > > >> > > On May 4, 12:49 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > >> > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > " Affection, in all forms, is an extremely valuable and > > > >> > > > >> > > > important part > > > >> > > > >> > > > of the relationship to me ... " > > > > >> > > > >> > > > And Grace, both while giving to and receiving from ... > > > >> > > > >> > > > But, valuable > > > >> > > > >> > > > and important as they are, these are still the > > > >> > > > >> > > > atmospherics. The > > > >> > > > >> > > > crucial part is the quality of ' being ' individuals > > > >> > > > >> > > > sense within > > > >> > > > >> > > > themselves, and the opportunity they have to ' be ' > > > >> > > > >> > > > themselves, to > > > >> > > > >> > > > grow and evolve and continue to transform the ' I - > > > >> > > > >> > > > Space ' within to > > > >> > > > >> > > > greater sense of strength, happiness, freedom and self > > > >> > > > >> > > > - discovery. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > We are all striving for that rich and pregnant ground > > > >> > > > >> > > > of ' I - space ' > > > >> > > > >> > > > in which our finitude dissolves. The others are > > > >> > > > >> > > > important to us, in > > > >> > > > >> > > > this context, for the atmospherics they cause or > > > >> > > > >> > > > contribute to. It can > > > >> > > > >> > > > aid or mar the ' awakening.' > > > > >> > > > >> > > > We each love the other, for the love of our Self ! > > > > >> > > > >> > > > ( I waited long before punching the ' Send ' button, > > > >> > > > >> > > > wondering if what > > > >> > > > >> > > > I'm posting makes any sense. Even, if it is appropriate > > > >> > > > >> > > > ? ) > > > > >> > > > >> > > > On May 4, 7:57 am, Chris Jenkins > > > >> > > > >> > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I think (a very necessary disclaimer in topics such > > > >> > > > >> > > > > as these) that the secret may be to only require > > > >> > > > >> > > > > commitment from your partner, to continue to freely > > > >> > > > >> > > > > be who you are, and expect the same from them, and to > > > >> > > > >> > > > > strive for the happy balance of compromise and > > > >> > > > >> > > > > acceptance in the places where friction inevitably > > > >> > > > >> > > > > occurs. Sometimes we align ourselves with partners > > > >> > > > >> > > > > who have drastically different life goals, and that's > > > >> > > > >> > > > > simply not possible. Other times our partners, or we > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ourselves, are in a self destructive place which is > > > >> > > > >> > > > > simply not conducive to a healthy relationship. If, > > > >> > > > >> > > > > however, we are both aligned similarly, and both > > > >> > > > >> > > > > committed to that goal, then a zen state of love, > > > >> > > > >> > > > > where it is not questioned, but simply is, seems to > > > >> > > > >> > > > > me to be the path to a long term bliss. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > If everyday, despite the day I've had, I make the > > > >> > > > >> > > > > effort to express some portion of Eros energy to my > > > >> > > > >> > > > > partner, even > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
