I suppose it was eros that caused you to jump to the defense of the ladies going off topic :-)
peace & Love On May 4, 7:46 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > Of course they have. I'm simply noting that much like Arch's observations on > codependency, your statement, although accurate, isn't really an example of > Eros at play. > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Tinker <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 16:30:50 -0700 > (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 7:30 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: What is the nature > of Love? > > 'My' comments have been about the nature of Love. > > peace & love > > On May 4, 7:21 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > But the whole point here, Tink, was that this wasn't about debate, or > > argument, but about opinion, and feeling, and how that translates into > > lifestyle. I don't care about justification or condemnation. I'm more > > interested in what it means and feels like to other people. You, along > > with everyone else here, have been providing that. Analyzing it now as > > some sort of qualitative position fails the point of the topic, which > > is an open ended question, not a position. Peace and Love, my friend. > > > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > One can adopt a point of view, with Love, to justify or condemn > > > anything. > > > > peace & Love > > > > On May 4, 7:12 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> ...and thus the discussion of the nature of Love. I'm sure Hinckley > > >> would have something to contribute to the conversation. > > > >> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > Love can be a powerful source for murder in the mind of a psycho. > > > >> > peace & Love > > > >> > On May 4, 7:02 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> ...and yet Love can be a powerful source for all these things. > > > >> >> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> > I would think the 'exploding in the arts' would be better classified > > >> >> > as insight, inspiration or revelation rather than Love. > > > >> >> > peace & Love > > > >> >> > On May 4, 6:28 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >> Yes. It explodes in the arts. Have done the whole trip- painting, > > >> >> >> music, needlearts, poetry, gardening, cooking, diplomas. It still > > >> >> >> doesn't cure a lost heart. I am now a hermitess living in a grand > > >> >> >> house. My children are scattered and I was a good mother to them. > > >> >> >> Maybe that is Love. > > > >> >> >> On May 4, 5:04 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> >> > Love is beauty and pain defined. But in order to experience the > > >> >> >> > pain > > >> >> >> > you must see its beauty. Which often happens unexpectedly. I > > >> >> >> > wish I > > >> >> >> > wasn't one of those people that think with their heart. What is > > >> >> >> > the > > >> >> >> > value of brilliance when the actions of your heart blind you from > > >> >> >> > using it? When I think of love, it's a deep, deep, longing for > > >> >> >> > passion. Perhaps a flight without a plane. Or a swim without > > >> >> >> > water. > > >> >> >> > Maybe even a delicacy tasted without swallowing. It's there but > > >> >> >> > your > > >> >> >> > wary from it, worried about losing it, careful but not capable of > > >> >> >> > determining whether you keep it or not, as love does change. It > > >> >> >> > gives > > >> >> >> > one the ability to things they would never expect. > > > >> >> >> > For example: I was able to play a tune on the piano, yet I don't > > >> >> >> > play > > >> >> >> > the piano. No, not expertly, I would post a link to it but would > > >> >> >> > be > > >> >> >> > worried about getting critiqued by experts. I am no expert and > > >> >> >> > don't > > >> >> >> > play the piano, never have, we bought a keyboard about two > > >> >> >> > months ago, > > >> >> >> > yet I managed a whole heart felt tune, I closed my eyes and let > > >> >> >> > my > > >> >> >> > fingers work their own magic. Do you think love gives one > > >> >> >> > abilities? > > > >> >> >> > On May 4, 5:46 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> >> > > I am one of you- though disappointed and resigned. I look back > > >> >> >> > > over my > > >> >> >> > > life as a grief of love. Take my heart but spare me my money. > > >> >> >> > > The last > > >> >> >> > > time I heard "jaded" was from my highschool sweetheart who I > > >> >> >> > > dated for > > >> >> >> > > a year after he divorced from a 30 year marriage. He was still > > >> >> >> > > a jerk > > >> >> >> > > and died soon after I left him. Stuff happens. > > > >> >> >> > > On May 4, 3:54 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > > >> >> >> > > wrote: > > > >> >> >> > > > Hmmm...I don't know, from what I hear, age is no barrier to > > >> >> >> > > > love nor lust. ;) > > > >> >> >> > > > Glad to have you aboard. Strong opening salvo, though! No > > >> >> >> > > > soft spot at > > >> >> >> > > > all for us romantics? > > > >> >> >> > > > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:39 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > > >> >> >> > > > wrote: > > > >> >> >> > > > > Thank you for Monday's laugh! One is allowed. Two would be > > >> >> >> > > > > lethal.// I > > >> >> >> > > > > wasn't sure this thought would get through but I would > > >> >> >> > > > > like to read > > >> >> >> > > > > along in this group. I am a grandmother so somewhat > > >> >> >> > > > > protected from > > >> >> >> > > > > foolish fancy even in the lusty month of May. I lust after > > >> >> >> > > > > William > > >> >> >> > > > > Safire. :-) Anyway, thanks for the welcome.// > > > >> >> >> > > > > On May 4, 10:35 am, Chris Jenkins > > >> >> >> > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >> > > > >> Ah, the voice of the jaded. > > > >> >> >> > > > >> Welcome, Rigsy. Care to tell us a story? > > > >> >> >> > > > >> [ Attached Message ]From:rigsy03 > > >> >> >> > > > >> <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > > >> >> >> > > > >> <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 06:16:08 > > >> >> >> > > > >> -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 8:16 amSubject:[Mind's > > >> >> >> > > > >> Eye] Re: What is the nature of Love? > > > >> >> >> > > > >> Love is a myth and marketing tool. > > > >> >> >> > > > >> On May 4, 8:10 am, Chris Jenkins > > >> >> >> > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > Not always, but definitely at least sometimes. There is > > >> >> >> > > > >> > much healing in a loving touch. > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > [ Attached Message ]From:Rosey > > >> >> >> > > > >> > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > > >> >> >> > > > >> > <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 > > >> >> >> > > > >> > 05:53:04 -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 7:53 > > >> >> >> > > > >> > amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: What is the nature of Love? > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > Is affection healing? Can a person kiss and hug the > > >> >> >> > > > >> > pain away? I > > >> >> >> > > > >> > believe this tactic works. But for some it does not. > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > On May 4, 8:41 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > wrote: > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > I think I understand and I do appreciate your words > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > here Vam. We all, > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > each of us, deserve to be surrounded by those that > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > love us > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > unconditionally, and allow us to be who we are as we > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > evolve and > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > awaken. The key for me has been to provide this to > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > those around me. I > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > have found that in doing so, I am surrounded by folks > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > who can love in > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > the same way. This does not mean that I allow myself > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > to be exploited > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > or abused, because I think that a part of > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > unconditional love is > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > bringing such behavior by the other to light, and > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > then moving away > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > from it, allowing the other to learn or not. There > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > are times when > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > compassion is enough and the relationship becoming > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > peripheral is in > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > perfect order. Your unconditional love then includes > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > honesty, > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > appreciation and psychological safety for all. These > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > can be provided > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > through deep intimacy or great distance. There is a > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > grace that leads > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > the way. > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > On May 4, 12:49 am, Vamadevananda > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > " Affection, in all forms, is an extremely valuable > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > and important part > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > of the relationship to me ... " > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > And Grace, both while giving to and receiving from > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > ... But, valuable > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > and important as they are, these are still the > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > atmospherics. The > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > crucial part is the quality of ' being ' > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > individuals sense within > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > themselves, and the opportunity they have to ' be ' > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > themselves, to > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > grow and evolve and continue to transform the ' I - > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > Space ' within to > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > greater sense of strength, happiness, freedom and > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > self - discovery. > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > We are all striving for that rich and pregnant > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > ground of ' I - space ' > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > in which our finitude dissolves. The others are > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > important to us, in > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > this context, for the atmospherics they cause or > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > contribute to. It can > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > aid or mar the ' awakening.' > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > We each love the other, for the love of our Self ! > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > ( I waited long before punching the ' Send ' > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > button, wondering if what > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > I'm posting makes any sense. Even, if it is > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > appropriate ? ) > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > On May 4, 7:57 am, Chris Jenkins > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > I think (a very necessary disclaimer in topics > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > such as these) that the secret may be to only > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > require commitment from your partner, to continue > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > to freely be who you are, and expect the same > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > from them, and to strive for the happy balance of > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > compromise and acceptance in the places where > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > friction inevitably occurs. Sometimes we align > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > ourselves with partners who have drastically > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > different life goals, and that's simply not > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > possible. Other times our partners, or we > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > ourselves, are in a self destructive place which > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > is simply not conducive to a healthy > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > relationship. If, however, we are both aligned > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > similarly, and both committed to that goal, then > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > a zen state of love, where it is not questioned, > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > but simply is, seems to me to be the path to a > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > long term bliss. > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > If everyday, despite the day I've had, I make the > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > effort to express some portion of Eros energy to > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > my partner, even if in no other form than text > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > message, I've "been", in the zen sense, affirmed > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > the love, made it be by being it. When that is > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > affirmed in reply, that circle is completed. The > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > actual physical expenditure of the ritual is > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > miniscule, yet the effect is powerful. > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > Affection, in all forms, is an extremely valuable > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > and important part of the relationship to me, > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > which Is just one of the many ides of Love I > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > inherit from my Father. He's still married > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
