Let us not forget that, for some people, Love presents emotional expectations, reciprocal interaction that mirrors that of the person expecting. When those expectations are not met or when they are merely cast into the wind as just fanciful notions by the object of the projected love, hurt, pain and disappointment erode that initial love, rendering it crippled. Without the expectations factor, love can be resilient within oneself. We should not let our ability and capacity to love be crippled due to the disappointment of others not living up to our expectations. It is not our failure when reciprocal love is not achieved but the failure of the other to understand love. There should not be any expectations, we should love unconditionally and love should be expressed expressly as an outward emotion. Love is not something to fill our emotional voids, reinforce our weaknesses or confidence. Love will not suffer for the incapacity or inability of others to experience it, for whatever reason. Love will endure as it has through eons of time. To those who bash love, I say, take your indifference and scorn and drop them into the deepest well for there is not any emotion in the universe that is as powerful as that of love, when we embrace it. The beauty of love is that we can always love again.
On May 4, 6:02 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > ...and yet Love can be a powerful source for all these things. > > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I would think the 'exploding in the arts' would be better classified > > as insight, inspiration or revelation rather than Love. > > > peace & Love > > > On May 4, 6:28 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes. It explodes in the arts. Have done the whole trip- painting, > >> music, needlearts, poetry, gardening, cooking, diplomas. It still > >> doesn't cure a lost heart. I am now a hermitess living in a grand > >> house. My children are scattered and I was a good mother to them. > >> Maybe that is Love. > > >> On May 4, 5:04 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > Love is beauty and pain defined. But in order to experience the pain > >> > you must see its beauty. Which often happens unexpectedly. I wish I > >> > wasn't one of those people that think with their heart. What is the > >> > value of brilliance when the actions of your heart blind you from > >> > using it? When I think of love, it's a deep, deep, longing for > >> > passion. Perhaps a flight without a plane. Or a swim without water. > >> > Maybe even a delicacy tasted without swallowing. It's there but your > >> > wary from it, worried about losing it, careful but not capable of > >> > determining whether you keep it or not, as love does change. It gives > >> > one the ability to things they would never expect. > > >> > For example: I was able to play a tune on the piano, yet I don't play > >> > the piano. No, not expertly, I would post a link to it but would be > >> > worried about getting critiqued by experts. I am no expert and don't > >> > play the piano, never have, we bought a keyboard about two months ago, > >> > yet I managed a whole heart felt tune, I closed my eyes and let my > >> > fingers work their own magic. Do you think love gives one > >> > abilities? > > >> > On May 4, 5:46 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > I am one of you- though disappointed and resigned. I look back over my > >> > > life as a grief of love. Take my heart but spare me my money. The last > >> > > time I heard "jaded" was from my highschool sweetheart who I dated for > >> > > a year after he divorced from a 30 year marriage. He was still a jerk > >> > > and died soon after I left him. Stuff happens. > > >> > > On May 4, 3:54 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > Hmmm...I don't know, from what I hear, age is no barrier to love nor > >> > > > lust. ;) > > >> > > > Glad to have you aboard. Strong opening salvo, though! No soft spot > >> > > > at > >> > > > all for us romantics? > > >> > > > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:39 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > Thank you for Monday's laugh! One is allowed. Two would be > >> > > > > lethal.// I > >> > > > > wasn't sure this thought would get through but I would like to read > >> > > > > along in this group. I am a grandmother so somewhat protected from > >> > > > > foolish fancy even in the lusty month of May. I lust after William > >> > > > > Safire. :-) Anyway, thanks for the welcome.// > > >> > > > > On May 4, 10:35 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > > > >> Ah, the voice of the jaded. > > >> > > > >> Welcome, Rigsy. Care to tell us a story? > > >> > > > >> [ Attached Message ]From:rigsy03 <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds > >> > > > >> Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 06:16:08 > >> > > > >> -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 8:16 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: > >> > > > >> What is the nature of Love? > > >> > > > >> Love is a myth and marketing tool. > > >> > > > >> On May 4, 8:10 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > >> > > > >> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Not always, but definitely at least sometimes. There is much > >> > > > >> > healing in a loving touch. > > >> > > > >> > [ Attached Message ]From:Rosey <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds > >> > > > >> > Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 > >> > > > >> > 05:53:04 -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 7:53 > >> > > > >> > amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: What is the nature of Love? > > >> > > > >> > Is affection healing? Can a person kiss and hug the pain away? I > >> > > > >> > believe this tactic works. But for some it does not. > > >> > > > >> > On May 4, 8:41 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > I think I understand and I do appreciate your words here Vam. > >> > > > >> > > We all, > >> > > > >> > > each of us, deserve to be surrounded by those that love us > >> > > > >> > > unconditionally, and allow us to be who we are as we evolve > >> > > > >> > > and > >> > > > >> > > awaken. The key for me has been to provide this to those > >> > > > >> > > around me. I > >> > > > >> > > have found that in doing so, I am surrounded by folks who can > >> > > > >> > > love in > >> > > > >> > > the same way. This does not mean that I allow myself to be > >> > > > >> > > exploited > >> > > > >> > > or abused, because I think that a part of unconditional love > >> > > > >> > > is > >> > > > >> > > bringing such behavior by the other to light, and then moving > >> > > > >> > > away > >> > > > >> > > from it, allowing the other to learn or not. There are times > >> > > > >> > > when > >> > > > >> > > compassion is enough and the relationship becoming peripheral > >> > > > >> > > is in > >> > > > >> > > perfect order. Your unconditional love then includes honesty, > >> > > > >> > > appreciation and psychological safety for all. These can be > >> > > > >> > > provided > >> > > > >> > > through deep intimacy or great distance. There is a grace > >> > > > >> > > that leads > >> > > > >> > > the way. > > >> > > > >> > > On May 4, 12:49 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> > >> > > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > > " Affection, in all forms, is an extremely valuable and > >> > > > >> > > > important part > >> > > > >> > > > of the relationship to me ... " > > >> > > > >> > > > And Grace, both while giving to and receiving from ... But, > >> > > > >> > > > valuable > >> > > > >> > > > and important as they are, these are still the > >> > > > >> > > > atmospherics. The > >> > > > >> > > > crucial part is the quality of ' being ' individuals sense > >> > > > >> > > > within > >> > > > >> > > > themselves, and the opportunity they have to ' be ' > >> > > > >> > > > themselves, to > >> > > > >> > > > grow and evolve and continue to transform the ' I - Space ' > >> > > > >> > > > within to > >> > > > >> > > > greater sense of strength, happiness, freedom and self - > >> > > > >> > > > discovery. > > >> > > > >> > > > We are all striving for that rich and pregnant ground of ' > >> > > > >> > > > I - space ' > >> > > > >> > > > in which our finitude dissolves. The others are important > >> > > > >> > > > to us, in > >> > > > >> > > > this context, for the atmospherics they cause or contribute > >> > > > >> > > > to. It can > >> > > > >> > > > aid or mar the ' awakening.' > > >> > > > >> > > > We each love the other, for the love of our Self ! > > >> > > > >> > > > ( I waited long before punching the ' Send ' button, > >> > > > >> > > > wondering if what > >> > > > >> > > > I'm posting makes any sense. Even, if it is appropriate ? ) > > >> > > > >> > > > On May 4, 7:57 am, Chris Jenkins > >> > > > >> > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > > > I think (a very necessary disclaimer in topics such as > >> > > > >> > > > > these) that the secret may be to only require commitment > >> > > > >> > > > > from your partner, to continue to freely be who you are, > >> > > > >> > > > > and expect the same from them, and to strive for the > >> > > > >> > > > > happy balance of compromise and acceptance in the places > >> > > > >> > > > > where friction inevitably occurs. Sometimes we align > >> > > > >> > > > > ourselves with partners who have drastically different > >> > > > >> > > > > life goals, and that's simply not possible. Other times > >> > > > >> > > > > our partners, or we ourselves, are in a self destructive > >> > > > >> > > > > place which is simply not conducive to a healthy > >> > > > >> > > > > relationship. If, however, we are both aligned similarly, > >> > > > >> > > > > and both committed to that goal, then a zen state of > >> > > > >> > > > > love, where it is not questioned, but simply is, seems to > >> > > > >> > > > > me to be the path to a long term bliss. > > >> > > > >> > > > > If everyday, despite the day I've had, I make the effort > >> > > > >> > > > > to express some portion of Eros energy to my partner, > >> > > > >> > > > > even if in no other form than text message, I've "been", > >> > > > >> > > > > in the zen sense, affirmed the love, made it be by being > >> > > > >> > > > > it. When that is affirmed in reply, that circle is > >> > > > >> > > > > completed. The actual physical expenditure of the ritual > >> > > > >> > > > > is miniscule, yet the effect is powerful. > > >> > > > >> > > > > Affection, in all forms, is an extremely valuable and > >> > > > >> > > > > important part of the relationship to me, which Is just > >> > > > >> > > > > one of the many ides of Love I inherit from my Father. > >> > > > >> > > > > He's still married to my Mom, and from all appearances, > >> > > > >> > > > > still in love with her in an Eros kind of way. :-D It's a > >> > > > >> > > > > strong archetype to have in your head of what a long term > >> > > > >> > > > > love can be. I can't imagine the idea of my Father being > >> > > > >> > > > > unfaithful to my Mom. It's inconceivable to me. > > >> > > > >> > > > > It strikes me Neil that one of the problems with Love is > >> > > > >> > > > > that most of the wisdom about it doesn't come until our > >> > > > >> > > > > later years, and many of us either don't have a proper > >> > > > >> > > > > Sage around, or are a bit too damn fool hardy in our > >> > > > >> > > > > youths to listen if we do. > > >> > > > >> > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:archytas > >> > > > >> > > > > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > >> > > > >> > > > > <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 3 May 2009 18:30:21 > >> > > > >> > > > > -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 6:30 amSubject:[Mind's > >> > > > >> > > > > Eye] Re: What is the nature of Love? > > >> > > > >> > > > > There is some thinking that love is over-stated and leads > >> > > > >> > > > > to over- > >> > > > >> > > > > expectation, perhaps rather strangely making loving > >> > > > >> > > > > relationship more > >> > > > >> > > > > difficult than it needs to be. Raising any of us fallible > >> > > > >> > > > > humans to a > >> > > > >> > > > > golden pedestal is to put whoever it is before a fall. > >> > > > >> > > > > One can > >> > > > >> > > > > certainly be loving and it appears this can be > >> > > > >> > > > > reciprocal, though I'd > >> > > > >> > > > > expect this to be less than perfect or bound in mutual > >> > > > >> > > > > illusions. > >> > > > >> > > > > Freedom from exploitation seems key to me, along with > >> > > > >> > > > > some form of > >> > > > >> > > > > understanding on equality. I can say that I wish I had > >> > > > >> > > > > been better > >> > > > >> > > > > able to enjoy sex earlier in my life through some decent > >> > > > >> > > > > education > >> > > > >> > > > > about it. > > >> > > > >> > > > > On 4 May, 01:07, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Exactly, trust is essential to the bond, it is the > >> > > > >> > > > > > adhesive quality > >> > > > >> > > > > > that transforms two into one. The > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
