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Those immediately preceding our exchange.
peace & Love
On May 5, 10:45 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> I didn't note any of the ladies straying off Eros. Which posts seemed to do
> so?
>
>
>
> [ Attached Message ]From:Tinker <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\""
> <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 17:13:46 -0700
> (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 8:13 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: What is the nature
> of Love?
>
> I suppose it was eros that caused you to jump to the defense of the
> ladies going off topic :-)
>
> peace & Love
>
> On May 4, 7:46 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Of course they have. I'm simply noting that much like Arch's observations
> > on codependency, your statement, although accurate, isn't really an example
> > of Eros at play.
>
> > [ Attached Message ]From:Tinker <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\""
> > <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 16:30:50 -0700
> > (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 7:30 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: What is the
> > nature of Love?
>
> > 'My' comments have been about the nature of Love.
>
> > peace & love
>
> > On May 4, 7:21 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > But the whole point here, Tink, was that this wasn't about debate, or
> > > argument, but about opinion, and feeling, and how that translates into
> > > lifestyle. I don't care about justification or condemnation. I'm more
> > > interested in what it means and feels like to other people. You, along
> > > with everyone else here, have been providing that. Analyzing it now as
> > > some sort of qualitative position fails the point of the topic, which
> > > is an open ended question, not a position. Peace and Love, my friend.
>
> > > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > One can adopt a point of view, with Love, to justify or condemn
> > > > anything.
>
> > > > peace & Love
>
> > > > On May 4, 7:12 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >> ...and thus the discussion of the nature of Love. I'm sure Hinckley
> > > >> would have something to contribute to the conversation.
>
> > > >> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > >> > Love can be a powerful source for murder in the mind of a psycho.
>
> > > >> > peace & Love
>
> > > >> > On May 4, 7:02 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >> >> ...and yet Love can be a powerful source for all these things.
>
> > > >> >> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > >> >> > I would think the 'exploding in the arts' would be better
> > > >> >> > classified
> > > >> >> > as insight, inspiration or revelation rather than Love.
>
> > > >> >> > peace & Love
>
> > > >> >> > On May 4, 6:28 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >> >> >> Yes. It explodes in the arts. Have done the whole trip- painting,
> > > >> >> >> music, needlearts, poetry, gardening, cooking, diplomas. It still
> > > >> >> >> doesn't cure a lost heart. I am now a hermitess living in a grand
> > > >> >> >> house. My children are scattered and I was a good mother to them.
> > > >> >> >> Maybe that is Love.
>
> > > >> >> >> On May 4, 5:04 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > >> >> >> > Love is beauty and pain defined. But in order to experience
> > > >> >> >> > the pain
> > > >> >> >> > you must see its beauty. Which often happens unexpectedly. I
> > > >> >> >> > wish I
> > > >> >> >> > wasn't one of those people that think with their heart. What
> > > >> >> >> > is the
> > > >> >> >> > value of brilliance when the actions of your heart blind you
> > > >> >> >> > from
> > > >> >> >> > using it? When I think of love, it's a deep, deep, longing for
> > > >> >> >> > passion. Perhaps a flight without a plane. Or a swim without
> > > >> >> >> > water.
> > > >> >> >> > Maybe even a delicacy tasted without swallowing. It's there
> > > >> >> >> > but your
> > > >> >> >> > wary from it, worried about losing it, careful but not capable
> > > >> >> >> > of
> > > >> >> >> > determining whether you keep it or not, as love does change.
> > > >> >> >> > It gives
> > > >> >> >> > one the ability to things they would never expect.
>
> > > >> >> >> > For example: I was able to play a tune on the piano, yet I
> > > >> >> >> > don't play
> > > >> >> >> > the piano. No, not expertly, I would post a link to it but
> > > >> >> >> > would be
> > > >> >> >> > worried about getting critiqued by experts. I am no expert and
> > > >> >> >> > don't
> > > >> >> >> > play the piano, never have, we bought a keyboard about two
> > > >> >> >> > months ago,
> > > >> >> >> > yet I managed a whole heart felt tune, I closed my eyes and
> > > >> >> >> > let my
> > > >> >> >> > fingers work their own magic. Do you think love gives one
> > > >> >> >> > abilities?
>
> > > >> >> >> > On May 4, 5:46 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > >> >> >> > > I am one of you- though disappointed and resigned. I look
> > > >> >> >> > > back over my
> > > >> >> >> > > life as a grief of love. Take my heart but spare me my
> > > >> >> >> > > money. The last
> > > >> >> >> > > time I heard "jaded" was from my highschool sweetheart who I
> > > >> >> >> > > dated for
> > > >> >> >> > > a year after he divorced from a 30 year marriage. He was
> > > >> >> >> > > still a jerk
> > > >> >> >> > > and died soon after I left him. Stuff happens.
>
> > > >> >> >> > > On May 4, 3:54 pm, Chris Jenkins
> > > >> >> >> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > >> >> >> > > > Hmmm...I don't know, from what I hear, age is no barrier
> > > >> >> >> > > > to love nor lust. ;)
>
> > > >> >> >> > > > Glad to have you aboard. Strong opening salvo, though! No
> > > >> >> >> > > > soft spot at
> > > >> >> >> > > > all for us romantics?
>
> > > >> >> >> > > > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:39 PM, rigsy03
> > > >> >> >> > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > >> >> >> > > > > Thank you for Monday's laugh! One is allowed. Two would
> > > >> >> >> > > > > be lethal.// I
> > > >> >> >> > > > > wasn't sure this thought would get through but I would
> > > >> >> >> > > > > like to read
> > > >> >> >> > > > > along in this group. I am a grandmother so somewhat
> > > >> >> >> > > > > protected from
> > > >> >> >> > > > > foolish fancy even in the lusty month of May. I lust
> > > >> >> >> > > > > after William
> > > >> >> >> > > > > Safire. :-) Anyway, thanks for the welcome.//
>
> > > >> >> >> > > > > On May 4, 10:35 am, Chris Jenkins
> > > >> >> >> > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> Ah, the voice of the jaded.
>
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> Welcome, Rigsy. Care to tell us a story?
>
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> [ Attached Message ]From:rigsy03
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\""
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> 06:16:08 -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 8:16
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: What is the nature of Love?
>
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> Love is a myth and marketing tool.
>
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> On May 4, 8:10 am, Chris Jenkins
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > Not always, but definitely at least sometimes. There
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > is much healing in a loving touch.
>
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > [ Attached Message ]From:Rosey
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\""
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > 05:53:04 -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 7:53
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: What is the nature of Love?
>
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > Is affection healing? Can a person kiss and hug the
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > pain away? I
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > believe this tactic works. But for some it does not.
>
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > On May 4, 8:41 am, Molly Brogan
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > I think I understand and I do appreciate your words
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > here Vam. We all,
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > each of us, deserve to be surrounded by those that
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > love us
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > unconditionally, and allow us to be who we are as
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > we evolve and
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > awaken. The key for me has been to provide this to
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > those around me. I
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > have found that in doing so, I am surrounded by
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > folks who can love in
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > the same way. This does not mean that I allow
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > myself to be exploited
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > or abused, because I think that a part of
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > unconditional love is
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > bringing such behavior by the other to light, and
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > then moving away
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > from it, allowing the other to learn or not. There
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > are times when
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > compassion is enough and the relationship becoming
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > peripheral is in
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > perfect order. Your unconditional love then
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > includes honesty,
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > appreciation and psychological safety for all.
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > These can be provided
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > through deep intimacy or great distance. There is a
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > grace that leads
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > the way.
>
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > On May 4, 12:49 am, Vamadevananda
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > " Affection, in all forms, is an extremely
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > valuable and important part
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > of the relationship to me ... "
>
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > And Grace, both while giving to and receiving
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > from ... But, valuable
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > and important as they are, these are still the
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > atmospherics. The
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > crucial part is the quality of ' being '
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > individuals sense within
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > themselves, and the opportunity they have to ' be
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > ' themselves, to
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > grow and evolve and continue to transform the ' I
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > - Space ' within to
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > greater sense of strength, happiness, freedom and
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > self - discovery.
>
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > We are all striving for that rich and pregnant
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > ground of ' I - space '
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > in which our finitude dissolves. The others are
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > important to us, in
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > this context, for the atmospherics they cause or
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > contribute to. It can
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > aid or mar the ' awakening.'
>
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > We each love the other, for the love of our Self !
>
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > ( I waited long before punching the ' Send '
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > button, wondering if what
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > I'm posting makes any sense. Even, if it is
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > appropriate ? )
>
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > On May 4, 7:57 am, Chris Jenkins
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > I think (a very necessary disclaimer in topics
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > such as these) that the secret may be to only
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > require commitment from your partner, to
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > continue to freely be who you are, and expect
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > the same from them, and to strive for the happy
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > balance of compromise and acceptance in the
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > places where friction inevitably occurs.
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > Sometimes we align ourselves with partners who
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > have drastically different life goals, and
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > that's simply not possible. Other times our
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > partners, or we ourselves, are in a self
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > destructive place which is simply not conducive
> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > to a healthy relationship. If,
>
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