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'My' comments have been about the nature of Love.
peace & love
On May 4, 7:21 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> But the whole point here, Tink, was that this wasn't about debate, or
> argument, but about opinion, and feeling, and how that translates into
> lifestyle. I don't care about justification or condemnation. I'm more
> interested in what it means and feels like to other people. You, along
> with everyone else here, have been providing that. Analyzing it now as
> some sort of qualitative position fails the point of the topic, which
> is an open ended question, not a position. Peace and Love, my friend.
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > One can adopt a point of view, with Love, to justify or condemn
> > anything.
>
> > peace & Love
>
> > On May 4, 7:12 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> ...and thus the discussion of the nature of Love. I'm sure Hinckley
> >> would have something to contribute to the conversation.
>
> >> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> > Love can be a powerful source for murder in the mind of a psycho.
>
> >> > peace & Love
>
> >> > On May 4, 7:02 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> ...and yet Love can be a powerful source for all these things.
>
> >> >> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> > I would think the 'exploding in the arts' would be better classified
> >> >> > as insight, inspiration or revelation rather than Love.
>
> >> >> > peace & Love
>
> >> >> > On May 4, 6:28 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> Yes. It explodes in the arts. Have done the whole trip- painting,
> >> >> >> music, needlearts, poetry, gardening, cooking, diplomas. It still
> >> >> >> doesn't cure a lost heart. I am now a hermitess living in a grand
> >> >> >> house. My children are scattered and I was a good mother to them.
> >> >> >> Maybe that is Love.
>
> >> >> >> On May 4, 5:04 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> > Love is beauty and pain defined. But in order to experience the
> >> >> >> > pain
> >> >> >> > you must see its beauty. Which often happens unexpectedly. I wish I
> >> >> >> > wasn't one of those people that think with their heart. What is the
> >> >> >> > value of brilliance when the actions of your heart blind you from
> >> >> >> > using it? When I think of love, it's a deep, deep, longing for
> >> >> >> > passion. Perhaps a flight without a plane. Or a swim without water.
> >> >> >> > Maybe even a delicacy tasted without swallowing. It's there but
> >> >> >> > your
> >> >> >> > wary from it, worried about losing it, careful but not capable of
> >> >> >> > determining whether you keep it or not, as love does change. It
> >> >> >> > gives
> >> >> >> > one the ability to things they would never expect.
>
> >> >> >> > For example: I was able to play a tune on the piano, yet I don't
> >> >> >> > play
> >> >> >> > the piano. No, not expertly, I would post a link to it but would be
> >> >> >> > worried about getting critiqued by experts. I am no expert and
> >> >> >> > don't
> >> >> >> > play the piano, never have, we bought a keyboard about two months
> >> >> >> > ago,
> >> >> >> > yet I managed a whole heart felt tune, I closed my eyes and let my
> >> >> >> > fingers work their own magic. Do you think love gives one
> >> >> >> > abilities?
>
> >> >> >> > On May 4, 5:46 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> > > I am one of you- though disappointed and resigned. I look back
> >> >> >> > > over my
> >> >> >> > > life as a grief of love. Take my heart but spare me my money.
> >> >> >> > > The last
> >> >> >> > > time I heard "jaded" was from my highschool sweetheart who I
> >> >> >> > > dated for
> >> >> >> > > a year after he divorced from a 30 year marriage. He was still a
> >> >> >> > > jerk
> >> >> >> > > and died soon after I left him. Stuff happens.
>
> >> >> >> > > On May 4, 3:54 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>
> >> >> >> > > wrote:
>
> >> >> >> > > > Hmmm...I don't know, from what I hear, age is no barrier to
> >> >> >> > > > love nor lust. ;)
>
> >> >> >> > > > Glad to have you aboard. Strong opening salvo, though! No soft
> >> >> >> > > > spot at
> >> >> >> > > > all for us romantics?
>
> >> >> >> > > > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:39 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]>
> >> >> >> > > > wrote:
>
> >> >> >> > > > > Thank you for Monday's laugh! One is allowed. Two would be
> >> >> >> > > > > lethal.// I
> >> >> >> > > > > wasn't sure this thought would get through but I would like
> >> >> >> > > > > to read
> >> >> >> > > > > along in this group. I am a grandmother so somewhat
> >> >> >> > > > > protected from
> >> >> >> > > > > foolish fancy even in the lusty month of May. I lust after
> >> >> >> > > > > William
> >> >> >> > > > > Safire. :-) Anyway, thanks for the welcome.//
>
> >> >> >> > > > > On May 4, 10:35 am, Chris Jenkins
> >> >> >> > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > >> Ah, the voice of the jaded.
>
> >> >> >> > > > >> Welcome, Rigsy. Care to tell us a story?
>
> >> >> >> > > > >> [ Attached Message ]From:rigsy03
> >> >> >> > > > >> <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\""
> >> >> >> > > > >> <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 06:16:08
> >> >> >> > > > >> -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 8:16 amSubject:[Mind's
> >> >> >> > > > >> Eye] Re: What is the nature of Love?
>
> >> >> >> > > > >> Love is a myth and marketing tool.
>
> >> >> >> > > > >> On May 4, 8:10 am, Chris Jenkins
> >> >> >> > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Not always, but definitely at least sometimes. There is
> >> >> >> > > > >> > much healing in a loving touch.
>
> >> >> >> > > > >> > [ Attached Message ]From:Rosey
> >> >> >> > > > >> > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\""
> >> >> >> > > > >> > <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 05:53:04
> >> >> >> > > > >> > -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 7:53 amSubject:[Mind's
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Eye] Re: What is the nature of Love?
>
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Is affection healing? Can a person kiss and hug the pain
> >> >> >> > > > >> > away? I
> >> >> >> > > > >> > believe this tactic works. But for some it does not.
>
> >> >> >> > > > >> > On May 4, 8:41 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]>
> >> >> >> > > > >> > wrote:
>
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > I think I understand and I do appreciate your words
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > here Vam. We all,
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > each of us, deserve to be surrounded by those that love
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > us
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > unconditionally, and allow us to be who we are as we
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > evolve and
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > awaken. The key for me has been to provide this to
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > those around me. I
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > have found that in doing so, I am surrounded by folks
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > who can love in
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > the same way. This does not mean that I allow myself to
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > be exploited
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > or abused, because I think that a part of unconditional
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > love is
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > bringing such behavior by the other to light, and then
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > moving away
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > from it, allowing the other to learn or not. There are
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > times when
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > compassion is enough and the relationship becoming
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > peripheral is in
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > perfect order. Your unconditional love then includes
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > honesty,
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > appreciation and psychological safety for all. These
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > can be provided
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > through deep intimacy or great distance. There is a
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > grace that leads
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > the way.
>
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > On May 4, 12:49 am, Vamadevananda
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > " Affection, in all forms, is an extremely valuable
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > and important part
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > of the relationship to me ... "
>
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > And Grace, both while giving to and receiving from
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > ... But, valuable
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > and important as they are, these are still the
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > atmospherics. The
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > crucial part is the quality of ' being ' individuals
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > sense within
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > themselves, and the opportunity they have to ' be '
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > themselves, to
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > grow and evolve and continue to transform the ' I -
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > Space ' within to
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > greater sense of strength, happiness, freedom and
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > self - discovery.
>
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > We are all striving for that rich and pregnant ground
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > of ' I - space '
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > in which our finitude dissolves. The others are
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > important to us, in
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > this context, for the atmospherics they cause or
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > contribute to. It can
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > aid or mar the ' awakening.'
>
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > We each love the other, for the love of our Self !
>
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > ( I waited long before punching the ' Send ' button,
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > wondering if what
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > I'm posting makes any sense. Even, if it is
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > appropriate ? )
>
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > On May 4, 7:57 am, Chris Jenkins
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > I think (a very necessary disclaimer in topics such
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > as these) that the secret may be to only require
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > commitment from your partner, to continue to freely
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > be who you are, and expect the same from them, and
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > to strive for the happy balance of compromise and
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > acceptance in the places where friction inevitably
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > occurs. Sometimes we align ourselves with partners
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > who have drastically different life goals, and
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > that's simply not possible. Other times our
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > partners, or we ourselves, are in a self
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > destructive place which is simply not conducive to
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > a healthy relationship. If, however, we are both
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > aligned similarly, and both committed to that goal,
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > then a zen state of love, where it is not
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > questioned, but simply is, seems to me to be the
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > path to a long term bliss.
>
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > If everyday, despite the day I've had, I make the
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > effort to express some portion of Eros energy to my
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > partner, even if in no other form than text
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > message, I've "been", in the zen sense, affirmed
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > the love, made it be by being it. When that is
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > affirmed in reply, that circle is completed. The
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > actual physical expenditure of the ritual is
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > miniscule, yet the effect is powerful.
>
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > Affection, in all forms, is an extremely valuable
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > and important part of the relationship to me, which
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > Is just one of the many ides of Love I inherit from
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > my Father. He's still married to my Mom, and from
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > all appearances, still in love with her in an Eros
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > kind of way. :-D It's a strong archetype to have in
> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > your head of what a long term love can be.
>
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>
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