I think you misconstrued my two posts and not sure that you had read the second as it would seem to me that we're on the same page. I'm not trying to push any spiritual teachings upon you and in fact dispel the notions of such in my second post. You state in the thread topic: The Dream of Utopia has been the guide of mankind’s development. It’s the root of benevolence and philanthropy. It inspires science to realize dreams.<<< I clearly stated exactly that in my post in different terms of course, nevertheless it all points in the same direction. If anything, I may have misinterpreted your mood by stating the fatigue of selling the "dream". You "are" selling a dream concept, which by whatever means, you have resolved to believe. You state here: That I know what I'm talking about<<< That is good and I'm sure I can vouch for millions of people on planet earth that "know" what "they" are talking about as well. However, discourse requires that others understand what one is talking about which opens the door to the multiplicity of thought abstracts and variant conclusions. I personally don't take labels, I'm not anything, just me and feel that I don't have to subscribe to any particular belief or non belief. When someone asks what I am I simply say I'm me. You state: I know we need to make a change in the way of mankind. I know that we can make that change by establishing a common recognition of the source of all the spiritual beliefs.<<< Somehow that sounds very familiar as if I've heard it a million times and in fact it is a very popular theme. "And" you are trying to show me the way? Problem with that is, I'm much further down the path already and I've been there for many years, it works for me, it is the ultimate freedom. I've tried for years to share but it is very difficult in this world. When you at least develop some following let me know.
On May 8, 12:07 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > Slip, can you imagine for a moment that I've gone a step beyond all of > the spiritual teaching of the past? > That I have studied many different teachings, found the common ground, > and taken a step beyond with their combined knowledge as the base. > That I have eliminated all the things that are irreconcilable. > That I know what I'm talking about. > I am not angry or depressed. I Live in joy of Life. > I know we need to make a change in the way of mankind. I know that we > can make that change by establishing a common recognition of the > source of all the spiritual beliefs. > It is time for mankind to evolve to be a truly spiritual being, and > I'm trying to show you the way. > All of the things that are being said to me are a part of the > knowledge that I have studied and gone beyond. > > peace & Love > > On May 7, 9:34 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It is a long and difficult road, the road to Utopia, with each step > > overshadowed by obstacle and peril. It is easy for old souls to > > perceive the possibility with a subconscious imbued with previous life > > experience (based on my belief in soul). I believe Utopia is within a > > parallel and others are already there, I believe that I had visited > > there briefly within my coma experience. I suddenly awoke from it the > > day after I was given the last rites. I guess one day I will have to > > share the complete experience. I believe that existing in this world > > as a human being is a powerful statement and testimony to something > > greater and to think that this is the only place is foolish. > > As I posted to Psk elsewhere......there is a great deal more to life > > than mere physical existence on planet earth. There is a cosmological > > aspect to all things. The earth is not just a place, it is part of a > > whole, a system in which various forms of energy coexist. The simple > > fact that we can think should bring about a new awareness of something > > else going on as thought is not tangible, cannot be packaged or seen. > > Thought is only relayed verbally, written or via technology, and even > > then it may not be accurately received and understood. There is spirit > > and soul to consider, parallel universes that present the aspect, that > > our lives here may have purpose somewhere else. There is energy out > > there and around us that we cannot see. Quantum physics, quantum > > fields, metaphysics, psychics, clairvoyants, savants and mystical > > phenomena abound. Simple examination of human history starting with > > our primordial beginnings reveal that there is the progression of > > intelligence. It is the collective mind that has throughout history > > overcome obstacles and achieved the so called 'impossible'. History > > shows that collective determination can make anything happen. Much of > > it all we can only glimpse on occasion within our dreams but through > > our imagination we conjure up that which we make manifest in our > > conscious reality. > > I'm with you all the way, tinker, as far as the dream but in reality > > it doesn't bother me in the least that the world does not simply fall > > in line. Each will have the consequence of their personal life as a > > result of their consciousness. I create my Utopia, here and now, in > > my world, as much as it is possible and I find comfort in knowing that > > I am part of the greater realm, the cosmos. While I can be part of a > > collective, I don't have to be in order to make things happen, to > > effect change and alter my perspectives around them. Don't be > > bothered by the lack of interest, the pessimism of youth or the > > quandary of the world, we have to deal with the nature of man. Put > > out your good energy and let it be like a seed that takes time to > > germinate. I remember someone approaching me a year later to tell me > > they just got it, now they understand. You talk about spiritual > > selling and not realizing that you are selling something that is > > completely foreign to most people. It will take a great deal of time > > and more lifetimes than yours before the concept reaches global > > acceptance. There are very few people you will meet who can carry on > > some of the conversations we have in here. As I can see you have, I > > also get fatigued with trying to sell the dream. > > > On May 7, 7:01 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Others have talked about it, but I think none have come close to the > > > in depth discovery and understanding of Joseph Campbell. > > > In ‘The Masks of God’ he documented it to have existed as an archetype > > > in the subconscious mind of mankind since the beginning of > > > civilization. > > > The Dream of Utopia has been the guide of mankind’s development. It’s > > > the root of benevolence and philanthropy. It inspires science to > > > realize dreams. > > > > The p.s. kid says, “What’s the Point, and I believe he’s sincere and > > > not just trying to stir up shit. > > > I was walking down the street and a young dude asked for a cigarette. > > > “No man, I don’t smoke.” And then half jokingly, “Don’t you know that > > > stuff’ll stunt your growth?” he looked long and hard into my eyes, and > > > I like to think he saw a true bit of concern. I saw true hopelessness > > > as he said, “I don’t care.” > > > It’s not the first time I’ve seen it in our young people. I hate to > > > say it but it’s almost common. The rare ones you see that are > > > optimistic most likely have that edge of superiority which supports > > > greed and allows deceit for one’s own good. > > > > I’ve been hot on the trail of the dream of utopia for thirty seven > > > years. At the age of twenty I got commissioned to the mission from God > > > when I was sitting in a jail cell looking at 25 to Life. I found this > > > poem and then the little New Testament with the red words of the man > > > pounding on the Kingdom being at hand. > > > > There is Magic in believing > > > Let us keep our faith aglow > > > The tomorrow we’re awaiting > > > May be closer than we know. > > > > There is magic in believing > > > Let us walk in humble trust > > > The shadows cannot linger > > > Dawn is near and come it must. > > > > The sun a constant miracle > > > Has never failed to rise > > > Impossible is not word > > > That God would recognize > > > > I’ve been through all the crap the religions sell for you to believe > > > in. They’re all selling escapism. They all deny Life as being the > > > reason for our existence. “It’s something greater,” they say. > > > And every single one of them says it from and with the force of Life > > > that they claim to be at least second rate if not totally irrelevant. > > > Fact; Life is here and now. > > > Fact; Higher forms of Life have a brain. > > > Fact; Brains produce energy that we call the mind. > > > Fact; The human mind is capable of imagining/believing anything. > > > NO fact; Any spiritual belief of any person on Earth. There is not one > > > shred of evidence, only believing. There are no two dogmas that > > > coincide and the individual’s belief, even following the same dogma, > > > is as varied as the individuals. > > > > So, who’s right? Is it one out of the jumbled clusterfuck of spiritual > > > beliefs? Or is it the Fact, that Life IS here and now. > > > The ‘Dream of Utopia’ points at Life, not some spiritual other shit. > > > That’s why I ask if it’s dead. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
