No sir, spirituality is not going to do any good to change the way of
the world. It is only good for personal improvement.
That's why we have to incorporate the collective intelligence (higher
power) into the way of the world. The higher power (God) will make the
change.

peace & love

On May 9, 6:15 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote:
> look at you all arguing about spirituality.. and religion and stuff..
> now tell me  is religion or spiritual enlightenment going to save the
> souls of people stuck in civil war stricken areas of Africa ...
>
> On May 9, 7:30 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On May 8, 7:35 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > We do have a whole lot of common understanding, and the same basic
> > > goal in mind.
> > > One difference we have is that you think the spirit/soul is other than
> > > and/or beyond Life, ego/self in tow. I think it is an extension 'of'
> > > Life, and when the Life ceases the life force returns to the
> > > 'collective life force' free of any ego/self. And that makes
> > > absolutely no difference in the idea I'm presenting.<<<Tinker
>
> > This is our difference, and one that has been covered in many other
> > posts.  I feel the soul is unique to the individual and does not
> > return to some "soul pool".  When life ceases the Spirit ceases but
> > the Soul continues on, retaining human qualities.  The experiences of
> > de javu, past life regressions and dreams of previous life
> > experiences, for me, all point to the soul experiences, now and in the
> > past.  If my soul was new in 1200 BC then I would have a great deal of
> > wisdom at birth through now, as some people exhibit.  If it is as you
> > say, what determines the issuance of talents, intelligence, skills
> > etc, it seems like a wild card and inconsistent with your
> > assertion>>"There is a purpose to Life though. It is for progress of
> > the intelligence that is the Life force."  (may 6 in what's the
> > point)
> > I would rather think that Einstein's soul exists today in the form of
> > a young brilliant physicist or scientist somewhere on the planet or
> > parallel universe and not that his soul became part of a great ocean
> > of energy.  Why was I born with a multitude of talent and not my
> > brother?
>
> > > The other thing where we diverge is that you believe mankind can be
> > > taught or will learn to come together by the means of religious (type)
> > > teaching/learning of the right way to behave.<<<Tinker
>
> > I haven't a clue where you get that idea but considering its vagueness
> > you will have to explain further.
>
> > > The way of Society can be changed with a simple mechanical 
> > > switch.<<<Tinker
>
> > Mechanical Switch?  Your getting really hazy!  Are you talking
> > eugenics?  How would you change people like 
> > this>>>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519548,00.html
>
> > > That switch would be the common understanding of the source of our
> > > spiritual connection in the mind, recognized as mankind's common 
> > > link.<<<Tinker
>
> > Well how would you go about accomplishing the "common understanding"?
> > By what method would you get people to recognize humanity's common
> > link?
> > Preaching? Teaching? Lecturing? U Tubing? TV ads?  Flyers, posters,
> > bumber stickers?  Minds Eye?
> > How would you go about it?
>
> > > "That I know what I'm talking about", was a part of several things
> > > forming a concept. I was asking you to suspend your beliefs for a
> > > moment and consider my point of view. <<<Tinker
>
> > It still remains the same, you are forming a concept from several
> > things you believe and projecting it as new.
> > I don't have any real beliefs, they are just ideas, thoughts, concepts
> > derived from personal experience and equally challenged by others as
> > are all the other ideas and concepts.  That is why I always say "I
> > think".
>
> > >I am 'trying to show you the way' we Can change the way of Society
> > > 'Now', and that is not by the methods of selling/preaching/teaching.
>
> > > Thanks for working with me brother, I Love you.<<<Tinker
>
> > You don't have to thank me for anything.  I've never implied or
> > inferred that we can change people by selling, preaching or teaching.
> > However, in general conversation when topic leans, one might begin to
> > share the ideal.  I change the people around me by "example" and they
> > change others with their change and so there is a ramification of
> > change.  Some people just don't want to change, and that is the main
> > problem.
>
> > Now I can send you a starter kit, How to Change the World part 1, for
> > just 3 easy payments of just $19.95, plus shipping and handling.  If
> > your not completely satisfied with your order just return it for a
> > full refund, no questions asked, other than, why didn't you like it?
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